vaccines are the best way to protect children from all manners of illness. yes, some people do have adverse reactions. but they are in the distinct minority. people that dont vaccinate their kids are negligent. but im sure you would prefer to think the government is deliberately poisoning its citizens magnetonium.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN vaccines are the best way to protect children from all manners of illness. yes, some people do have adverse reactions. but they are in the distinct minority. people that dont vaccinate their kids are negligent. but im sure you would prefer to think the government is deliberately poisoning its citizens magnetonium.

I think vaccinations are well, neccessary, but not when there's mercury in them. And when 5,000 families sue the US government for getting their children permanently disabled because of these vaccines ... well, thats a lot of children. Thats not all of them though. Would you take a risk with that 1% chance that your child is going to develop health problems because of this super-vaccine? Won't it be easier to develop a safer package? Any mercury-containing vaccines or any chemical like crap will most likely have an adverse effect on any very young child who is extremely succeptable to dangerous substances. My youngest brother has all kinds of health problems, born in Canada - the only person in my family born in Canada. And he is only one in our lineage who ever had any allergies or autism. Poor kid. Coincidence?

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Thimerosal which is an ethylmercury was used in a couple of vaccines as a preservative, it's know to trigger autism in kids that are predisposed to getting it. (Don't confuse it with methylmercury or dimethylmercury's, which will just kill you straight out.)

list of vaccines here

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I think vaccinations are well, neccessary, but not when there's mercury in them. And when 5,000 families sue the US government for getting their children permanently disabled because of these vaccines ... well, thats a lot of children. Thats not all of them though. Would you take a risk with that 1% chance that your child is going to develop health problems because of this super-vaccine? Won't it be easier to develop a safer package? Any mercury-containing vaccines or any chemical like crap will most likely have an adverse effect on any very young child who is extremely succeptable to dangerous substances. My youngest brother has all kinds of health problems, born in Canada - the only person in my family born in Canada. And he is only one in our lineage who ever had any allergies or autism. Poor kid. Coincidence?

We didn't think so.
We're waiting until our little one is a little older before getting them.
That doesn't mean we're doing NOTHING so don't read that wrong.
We chose an alternative route by opting to go to the Hospital of Naturopathic Medicine here in Toronto.
It comes down to choice and we choose to not take any chances.
Some people might think we're paranoid but that doesn't matter because in the end, it's still our choice and our child.

I can tell you that yes, we did research it and that the medical community, at large, was quite hostile as a result of our choice.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I need some information and honest unbiases opinion from the medical people on here. I've been reading a bunch of stuff on how there are links to vaccines making young children develop all sorts of health problems. Autism links. Paralysis. One thing also coonfirmed is the use of mercury as preservative. Which sicked my stomach thinking about it. Please gimme some info.

I've done research on this, specially on the supposed 'link' to autism, and to tell the truth there is no sound evidence that vaccines cause any harm. The chances are near insignificant compared to the benefit they provide. As far as having mercury in vaccines, I don't really think that its a widespread practice. Seriously, you have a better chance of winning the powerball lottery than getting a reaction to vaccines. And the rise of autism is better explained by the expansion of the criteria and more awareness of the disease, not by evil vaccines.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

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Originally posted by Lilith Thimerosal which is an ethylmercury was used in a couple of vaccines as a preservative, it's know to trigger autism in kids that are predisposed to getting it. (Don't confuse it with methylmercury or dimethylmercury's, which will just kill you straight out.) list of vaccines here

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n 2004, the IOM's Immunization Safety Review Committee issued its final report, examining the hypothesis that vaccines, specifically the MMR vaccines and thimerosal containing vaccines, are causally associated with autism. In this report, the committee incorporated new epidemiological evidence from the U.S., Denmark, Sweden, and the United Kingdom, and studies of biologic mechanisms related to vaccines and autism since its report in 2001. The committee concluded that this body of evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism, and that hypotheses generated to date concerning a biological mechanism for such causality are theoretical only. Further, the committee stated that the benefits of vaccination are proven and the hypothesis of susceptible populations is presently speculative, and that widespread rejection of vaccines would lead to increases in incidences of serious infectious diseases like measles, whooping cough and Hib bacterial meningitis.

From your link. The theory that this mercury derivative triggers autism is incorrect and unfounded. We have to remember that misinformation with such delicate subjects can cause serious damage to peoples lives.

Again, there is no link between vaccination and the development of any type of disease. You're better off getting eaten by a shark on top of Mt. Everest.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

You'll get more mercury into your body eating shark meat, not the other way around.
The report 'favours' rejection, has not completely ruled it out though, which is fairly much standard practice on a lot of medical research to avoid litigation on the one in a billion chance it actually affects someone in a rare case. I mean as much as the medical fraternity enjoys their elevated status in the community as respected intellectuals, even they will admit (with enough of a headlock) that they don't know all the answers.

Immunization Safety Review: Measles-Mumps-Rubella Vaccine & Autism
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Safety of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines: A Two-Phased Study of Computerized Health Maintenance Organization Databases
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Surveillance for Safety After Immunization: Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) --- United States, 1991--2001

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Reviews of VAERS reports and the studies based on VAERS reports during 1991--2001 have demonstrated that vaccines are usually safe and that serious adverse events occur but are rare.

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Content and Design Attributes of Antivaccination Web Sites

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Conclusion Antivaccination Web sites express a range of concerns related to vaccine safety and varying levels of distrust in medicine. The sites rely heavily on emotional appeal to convey their message.

A bit like pseudoscience eh?

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Now, I agree that mercury should be eliminated from vaccines. Obviously one would want to reduce potential risks as much as possible. As it stands though, it is better to vaccinate your child than not. The risk is extremely low, and the chances of a child developing more serious conditions because of not having been vaccinated are real.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

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Originally posted by Lilith You'll get more mercury into your body eating shark meat, not the other way around. The report 'favours' rejection, has not completely ruled it out though, which is fairly much standard practice on a lot of medical research to avoid litigation on the one in a billion chance it actually affects someone in a rare case. I mean as much as the medical fraternity enjoys their elevated status in the community as respected intellectuals, even they will admit (with enough of a headlock) that they don't know all the answers.

True enough, but favouring rejection is as much as we will get. Still the evidence, which there is quite a bit of, favour rejection. When evidence amasses then we know it is pointing in the right direction. For the time being, it appears to be that the risk is not significance and that there is no connection between neurological diseases and vaccination.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

what purpose does the mercury serve in the immunisation? surely its not in there for shits and giggles?

either way, thanks for the real resarch venom. i think Magnetonium needs a little reality in his paranoid world every now and again

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It's enough for some people that there's a chance however remote, where they're at least cautious about it. Having been jabbed, stabbed and poked with a fairly stupid amount of vaccinations over my early life by my mother, I can't really complain about having some major malfunction as a direct result of it.