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evil_bastard
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Talks of downgrading ecstacy?

Anyone heard this on the news?

They said it might soon be downgraded to a class B drug.

What does that mean exactly? How legal will it be? Will it become like cannabis, ie it's technically still illegal but you won't get done unless you're dealing sort of thing?

Old Post May-23-2002 01:33  England
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Mallard
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Class B would mean it is the same as Ganja is now - still arrestable, but less severe penalties, basically. Still waiting for Weed to be downgraded to C (which would put it on the same level as Ket - wtf kind of sense does all this shit make?). I'm not actually that well up on the penalties for different classes, I'm sure someone else can say far better than I can.

I hadn't actually heard this story though. I remember a few months back hearing that Blunkett's police and medical advisors told him that penaties on E were way too harsh and it should be downgraded, but his response was "Ecstasy is a killer" and refused. I'd be very happy to learn that the government have reconsidered...


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evil_bastard
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Damn I just read this in today:

Ecstasy law change ruled out

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk_politics/newsid_2002000/2002684.stm


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Calls from a powerful MPs' committee for dance drug ecstasy to be downgraded in an overhaul of drugs laws have been rebuffed by ministers.

Home Secretary David Blunkett said moving ecstasy from class A to class B is not on the government's agenda, but he welcomed other parts of the study.

In Wednesday's report, MPs on the Home Affairs committee backed Mr Blunkett's moves to make cannabis a class C drug.

They also recommended trials of heroin prescription programmes for addicts and the provision of safe injecting rooms for heroin users.

The home secretary rejected the proposal for so-called 'shooting galleries' for drug injectors.

The committee said the past 30 years showed policies based mainly on enforcement were bound to fail and more stress must be put on treating addicts.

But it stopped short of pressing for any illegal drugs to be legalised or decriminalised.

Drug differences

They said such a move would inevitably result in a "significant increase in the number of users, especially among the very young".

Click here to see youth drugs graph

Committee chairman Chris Mullin urged the government to "follow the science" when it came to their drug policies.

There was "no point in pretending that ecstasy was as harmful as heroin" and to suggest it was would undermine the credibility of drugs advice handed out to children.

Mr Mullin - a former Labour minister - insisted that nobody was suggesting ecstasy could not be dangerous and stressed that class B drugs still carried stiff penalties for dealers and users.


"All drug taking is bad for you and should be discouraged but we need to get real and focus on the 200 to 250,000 or so problematic drug users ... who mainly use heroin," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

The committee's recommendation that ecstasy should become a class B drug would put it on the same level as the current classification for cannabis and amphetamines.


'Totally misinformed'

The reclassification would reduce the maximum sentence for those found carrying ecstasy from seven years to five.

Those supplying or making the drug would be jailed for 14 years at most rather than facing the current possible life prison term.

The report prompted Janet Betts, whose daughter Leah died after taking ecstasy, to accuse the committee of being "totally misinformed".

Mrs Betts urged Prime Minister Tony Blair to "have the balls" to stick by his pledge not to downgrade the drug.

Mr Blunkett stuck by that pledge in his response to the MPs' report.

"Ecstasy can, and does, kill unpredictably and there is no such thing as a safe dose," said the home secretary.

"I believe it should remain class A. Reclassification of ecstasy is not on the government's agenda."

Mr Blunkett did, however, welcome the report as "thought provoking" and said it was right to urge a new focus on reducing the harm caused by drugs.

'Shooting galleries'

The home secretary wants more heroin made available on prescription.

But he urged caution on how far this should be extended - the MPs want trials of carefully supervised prescription, as happens in the Netherlands and Switzerland.

That idea is part of the committee's drive to focus on Britain's 250,000 "problem" drug users, who need £13,000 a year from crime to feed their habit.

The MPs also want a new offence of "supply for gain" to be introduced to draw a new distinction between dealers and those who give drugs to friends for personal use.

The report has been welcomed by civil rights groups and some drugs charities.

Roger Howard, chief executive of charity DrugScope, said it represented the next steps for UK drugs laws.

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The reclassification would reduce the maximum sentence for those found carrying ecstasy from seven years to five.


Bloody hell, do you go down for 7 years just for carrying ecstacy

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it is a class A drug. But over 2 million people use it every weekend. And i dont think you would get a full 7 years anyway


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kinda like underage drinking in the US...there are still penalties, but most of the time, they'll let you go anyhow..

the thing is that they want to have the 'option' of f'n you over for it. they may not do it everytime.


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Personally I don't think it should be downgraded. Yet. THere really is not enough knowledge about the long-term effects, and indeed psychiatric wards are starting to get an increased trickle of fortysomethings coming in who started doing it when it first appeared on the UK scene... let's see exactly what happens to them in old age before we start saying E is OK.

Pot on the other hand is totally safe, and everyone knows it. Dude. *puff*


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evil_bastard
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I think the main reason is the amount of money it will take away from the brewing industry, and of course, the govt don't want to be blamed in 30 years time if everyone starts getting weird side effects.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sly One
Personally I don't think it should be downgraded. Yet. THere really is not enough knowledge about the long-term effects, and indeed psychiatric wards are starting to get an increased trickle of fortysomethings coming in who started doing it when it first appeared on the UK scene... let's see exactly what happens to them in old age before we start saying E is OK.

Pot on the other hand is totally safe, and everyone knows it. Dude. *puff*


Actually it has been suggestedin some scientific circles that any brain damage (rather alteration, they're not convinced the changes made due to the drugs have any effect on normal brain activity at all) is due to the combination of ecstacy and canibis rather than just canabis.

Also new research suggests that the long term effects of ecstacy (some research suggest that the effects heal themselves and others say that there aren't any long term effects at all) can be severely reduced if enough vitamins are taken (can't remmeber which vitamins it was, it's not just C though).

Ecstacy and it's effects is a really hazey area which is why it's still Class A, although I personally think there is enough evidence to warrent a downgrading.

.......hmm personally i thought that Canabis was downgraded to Class C months ago and that Ket is actually not on the banned substances list but rather a controlled substance, mainly because it's available as vital in the treatment of horses.


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Originally posted by evil_bastard
Anyone heard this on the news?

They said it might soon be downgraded to a class B drug.

What does that mean exactly? How legal will it be? Will it become like cannabis, ie it's technically still illegal but you won't get done unless you're dealing sort of thing?




i got all excited. it also means you wont get banged up for zillions of years for carrying 10 or so.

then they said the change wud be proposterous or sum BBc like word, and i cried


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Originally posted by evil_bastard

The MPs also want a new offence of "supply for gain" to be introduced to draw a new distinction between dealers and those who give drugs to friends for personal use.


finally the government got half a brain


edit:

oh yeh shooting galleries are aq fucking stupid idea, make a nice envirment for junkie fucks to shoot up with smack, wankers!


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the only reason they dont want to downgrade/legalise any drugs is because they cant fcukin tax it.

i cant be arsed to type out my full veiw on this subject at the moment.. maybe later. i reckon most of u know what i think anyway


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