I want to make this very clear. Oil companies have 80+ million acres of land which HAVE NOT BEEN DRILLED. This "drilling today" hype is a complete lie. They can drill to their hearts desire TODAY. Oil companies value the oil more IN THE GROUND, than after drilled. They are attempting through the Republican Party to acquire still more land. It is to their best interest to keep oil prices high, and keeping oil prices high involves limiting production, and they do this by keeping their inventory in the ground.

So when McCain's website says, "The current federal moratorium on drilling in the Outer Continental Shelf stands in the way of energy exploration and production. John McCain believes it is time for the federal government to lift these restrictions and to put our own reserves to use."

They are DEAD WRONG. The federal moratorium on off-shore drilling DOES NOT STAND IN THE WAY OF EXPLORATION/PRODUCTION. Is it no wonder the oil executives in the White House are trying to secure yet more land for their oil interests. Is 80+ million acres not enough???????

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think of oil as water in a cup. The more you use it the less you have of it. It is best to use some ones elses reserve before your own. This land grab is just the attempt of holding even more oil for later decades when it really will be needed by the world.

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Originally posted by guerra-monstru think of oil as water in a cup. The more you use it the less you have of it. It is best to use some ones elses reserve before your own. This land grab is just the attempt of holding even more oil for later decades when it really will be needed by the world.

So you're saying, they are just trying to conserve their oil reserves for future supplies? Ok, then they should not need any more land, since they have plenty land to drill on. Save the continental shelf for a later time.

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Originally posted by guerra-monstru think of oil as water in a cup. The more you use it the less you have of it. It is best to use some ones elses reserve before your own. This land grab is just the attempt of holding even more oil for later decades when it really will be needed by the world.

ding ding ding.

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Originally posted by Krypton So you're saying, they are just trying to conserve their oil reserves for future supplies? Ok, then they should not need any more land, since they have plenty land to drill on. Save the continental shelf for a later time.

You did not understand! The oil companies want it now while it is cheap.

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Originally posted by guerra-monstru You did not understand! The oil companies want it now while it is cheap.

Oh, ok.

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Originally posted by guerra-monstru think of oil as water in a cup. The more you use it the less you have of it. It is best to use some ones elses reserve before your own. This land grab is just the attempt of holding even more oil for later decades when it really will be needed by the world.

Good old American values eh? Kind of like the foundation of this nation, kill all those fucking Indians and take their land. Does that include any of your ancestors by any chance, you know, being Mexican and all? The World = the West? Yup, the rest of human life has no value... wait, they're not human... sorry, just like Africans and Native Americans. Fucking scum.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Good old American values eh? Kind of like the foundation of this nation, kill all those fucking Indians and take their land. Does that include any of your ancestors by any chance, you know, being Mexican and all? The World = the West? Yup, the rest of human life has no value... wait, they're not human... sorry, just like Africans and Native Americans. Fucking scum.

At least they have casinos..

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Originally posted by Krypton At least they have casinos..

LOL, has your sense of humor gotten as dark as mine ?

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Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Good old American values eh? Kind of like the foundation of this nation, kill all those fucking Indians and take their land. Does that include any of your ancestors by any chance, you know, being Mexican and all? The World = the West? Yup, the rest of human life has no value... wait, they're not human... sorry, just like Africans and Native Americans. Fucking scum.

If North American Native Indians had any respect for the themselves as a whole, they'd be in a much better situation than they currently are.
That's not to say that things aren't changing but they pissed away a LOT of years...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r If North American Native Indians had any respect for the themselves as a whole, they'd be in a much better situation than they currently are.

Yeah lets blame them for their current conditions,I mean it is not like the government had anyting to do with it right?

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to be clear - the US does not have vast proven petroleum reserves. the US has vast shale reserves, which can be turned into synthetic oil products. (from what i've read, the US shale reserves amount to ten times more oil equivalents than saudi arabian oil - quite staggering). the difference between extracting petroleum and shale is that extracting shale means mining the land - usually by open pit mining. That devasts the environment. On the other hand, petroleum can be extracted with much less environmental impact than shale mining. To add to that, shale is located in some of the most pristine parts of the continental US (colorado and wyoming). It's not too easy to devastate the environment in the US without political backlash.

shale mine (not quite the same as sticking a pipe in the ground and taking out petroleum):



oil derek:




which looks more harmful to the environment to you guys?