ahhh the infamous beatmatching i think the regulars in this section knows how many pointless threads ive mad eup on it but i have a bit of a more legitamte question this time its really weird i cant keep my beats in line for more than say 10 seconds and sometimes its like the pitch is always changing because they will be together for say one beat then drift out... then maybe back in or further apart? does this make any sense i thought this problem would not happen on technics? is it the decks (im thinking the pitch is varying) or is it i havent cued the record properly or something and the beats that do hit are just lucky?

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sounds like your over correcting yourself

its not the tables......you've just gotta find your groove

OK, listen...

Beatmatching is like having two cars driving next to each other, they need to have the same speed, and they have to be beside each other...

If you can get them beside each other you still need the exact speed of the both. You'll always get a tenth of bpm off on one of the records, everyone does! So what you can do is modify the pitch as you go along in the mix , you speed one of the cars up or brake it just a little to have them running beside eachother...

hope you get my point!

ahhhh albert you just made something click!
so its always gonna differ on how much you have to slow down and speed up because there always been accelerated (or pitched up) or slowed down (Pitched down) so you just gotta keep fine adjusting until its consistant?

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exactly

though more than likely your problem is just that you're over compensating when adjusting each record...

however in *some* cases, and i emphasize *some* because not a lot of tracks have this, but a few do
and basically the 4th beat in each bar may not be exactly on time, but then it will go back on beat for the next beat

its not a pitch change, its just a little producing trick that some producers use...i have no clue why though
this is the reason that sometimes you'll be mixing and you'll hear one beat off so you rush to fix it (im talking about even experienced people here) and it'll just completely fuck up your beatmatching because the beat that sounded off was actually just that 4th beat, and it goes bakc to normal after that
hard to explain
easiest way i can do it is lke this

1--2--3--4--1--2--3--4 thisi s a normal structure...
1--2--3---4-1--2--3---4 this is what im talkign about

you may think im talking shit, but im basing this on what 2 pretty famous producers told a friend of mine while he was in europe

Last edited by Kid_Lax on Jun-01-2002 at 18:32

Well I think to put it simply, beatmatching WILL go off no matter how good you are in it. A mix does not just involve beatmatching and sitting there after you're done. You will have to beatmatch as you're doing the transition as well.

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mmm intresting... thanx for all the replys guys

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Originally posted by Kid_Lax though more than likely your problem is just that you're over compensating when adjusting each record... however in *some* cases, and i emphasize *some* because not a lot of tracks have this, but a few do and basically the 4th beat in each bar may not be exactly on time, but then it will go back on beat for the next beat its not a pitch change, its just a little producing trick that some producers use...i have no clue why though this is the reason that sometimes you'll be mixing and you'll hear one beat off so you rush to fix it (im talking about even experienced people here) and it'll just completely fuck up your beatmatching because the beat that sounded off was actually just that 4th beat, and it goes bakc to normal after that hard to explain easiest way i can do it is lke this 1--2--3--4--1--2--3--4 thisi s a normal structure... 1--2--3---4-1--2--3---4 this is what im talkign about you may think im talking shit, but im basing this on what 2 pretty famous producers told a friend of mine while he was in europe

yea, i forget what that's called, but it's like a double beat at the end
i think it's more like this though
1--2--3--44-1--2--3--44

it's like 2 half beats or something like that

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Maybe you have one track slower than the other, and left it so long that it is a whole beat behind, and seems to be in time again (except in terms of 32 beats etc)?

More likely though, as others have said, you think you have them perfectly matched, and leave the pitch completely alone, until you realise they are gradually drifting apart.

I don't think even the world class DJs can perfectly mix two decks and leave them (not unless using a beatmatcher).

If player A is one hundredth of a second faster than player B, then in 10 seconds song A will be .1 seconds out of time. In 100 seconds, it will be a whole second out of time.

So even if you have it to within a hundredth of a second of the other track, it doesn't take too long for them to drift. You have to keep adjusting and keep adjusting, but sometimes the hard part is knowing which track is playing fastest!

I run into that problem as well when I'm mixing. I have been mixing now for about six months, and I have gotten better, but I still get frustrated when it doesn't meet my standards. Maybe my standards are too high or something, I dunno. Another thing that I have noticed is that I can beatmatch good for the most part, and when I by tracks, I try to get ones that are similar in the beginning so that I can get a good transition, but I don't. I think that is the most frustrating part for me. I dunno, I'll keep practicin, I know that will help.

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Speaking from experience, producers will syncopate the fourth beat of a phrase to make it a little more diverse and interesting. As a DJ, it's just one more thing to watch out for.

NB that usually the syncopation comes every other bar, or in the last bar of a four bar set.

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