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dcougar99
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Read This! “Secret Government” Running Economy

Good read... hes been barking about whats going on right now for quite a long time... doesnt sound so CRAZZY now does he...


Ron Paul Blasts “Secret Government” Running Economy

Congressman warns middle class in danger of being wiped out, says Congress is oblivious and Fed has no clue

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
September 18, 2008


Congressman Ron Paul has issued a stinging address concerning the financial crisis in which he outlines how the current economic problems, created via malinvestment and shift to a debt based economy, are now being mismanaged by private interests in secret.

What’s more he says he is not sure the Federal Reserve has any idea what to do next and that the Congress is totally oblivious to the whole sorry state of affairs - a cocktail of elements he warns puts the middle class of America in serious jeopardy.

“Today we had a lot of financial fireworks in the markets, a lot of things are going on, and I think we are in the middle of something very big.” the Congressman stated.

Speaking on the recent collapse and government bailout of several big financial institutions he warned:

“We’re talking about big bucks, we’re not talking about hundreds of millions or even hundreds of billions, we’re talking about trillions of dollars, the obligation is immeasurable.”

“The interesting thing is that they (the financial institutions) don’t come to the Congress, I mean the Federal Reserve buys them out, they own it. We as tax payers now own Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and know one knows how much that will cost. They don’t come to the Congress, we don’t have appropriations, it’s done by secret government, private individuals behind the scenes maneuvering and manipulating and trying to patch things up. While in the meantime, I’m sure there’s a few people making a couple of bucks out of this whole thing.”




The Congressman highlighted how an economy structured on debt and credit and a financial system based on interventionism and self serving moral hazard has led to gross devaluation of the dollar and ultimately lies at the root of the current financial meltdown.

“Our problems come first of all from the Federal Reserve. It is a monopoly and it controls interest rates artificially low, causes people to make mistakes, that’s the basic source. But then on top of that in the Housing market we had the community reinvestment act which told investors that they had to loan to risky borrowers, and that was a risky complication. HUD contributes to this, FDIC contributes, it’s called moral hazard, everything that we have done over here creates moral hazard, that is we assure people or assume that we will take care of everybody, just go out and create the risk, it is the opposite of the market place.” Paul stated.

“You can’t create money like we’re doing in order to support the dollar, because ultimately it hurts the dollar and everything we do in Washington today whether its on the appropriations side, whether it’s what the Fed is doing, buying up America, it’s all putting pressure on the dollar. One of these days we’re just going to have to wake up and say that we need to liquidate debt. This is malinvestment.” he urged.

The Congressman then slammed those who have blamed the crisis on failures of the free market:

“And then they have people come along and say ’see, this is the failure of capitalism’, this has nothing to do with capitalism, this is something that started off as interventionism and us being too involved in the economy for the benefit of special interests. But now it is being socialized out in the open.”

“The end of this comes when people reject the dollar and I think we’re getting awfully close to this.” Paul stated echoing comments from leading investors such as Jim Rogers, who predicted Monday that the dollar would soon lose its world reserve status.

“When you see the movement in the markets that we have today, you know that there are serious problems out there and Congress basically are oblivious, they have no idea what’s going on.” Paul continued.

“As a matter of fact I’m not even sure the Federal Reserve has any idea what to do about this. They’ve been manipulating and maneuvering for their own benefit over the years but eventually the market wins out.”

The Congressman’s comments were echoed today by reports indicating that the Congress cannot agree on any form of action and is likely to simply adjourn and “get out of the way”.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told reporters that “no one knows what to do”.

In a stark warning, Ron Paul stressed that the longer the value of the dollar is allowed to depreciate, the greater the risk becomes for the majority of Americans:

“The reason this is so important is that if you care about people in a humanitarian sense, what you want to do is protect the value of the money. Just think of the third world nations when they have total run away inflation, the middle class gets wiped out. And what we are seeing today is the middle class being jeopardized by this type of system that we have, unlimited spending, unlimited debt, unlimited creation of new credit.”

“So it’s time that we wake up… The answers are in the free market, sound money and our Constitution.” Paul concluded.

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excellent, now read this...

scary stuff


http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/i...ero_conspiracy/


quote:
SINCE HE BEGAN his presidential campaign, Republican candidate Mitt Romney has held more than 125 "Ask Mitt Anything" town hall forums, and the people who have shown up for them have done their best to make the events live up to their name. There have been questions about medical marijuana, about abolishing the income tax, about Romney's Mormonism and his potential vice president.

more stories like thisOf course, certain topics come up more than others. One is healthcare. Another is Iraq. A third is the North American Union.

The North American Union is a supranational organization, modeled on the European Union, that will soon fuse Canada, the United States, and Mexico into a single economic and political unit. The details are still being worked out by the countries' leaders, but the NAU's central governing body will have the power to nullify the laws of its member states. Goods and people will flow among the three countries unimpeded, aided by a network of continent-girdling superhighways. The US and Canadian dollars, along with the peso, will be phased out and replaced by a common North American currency called the amero.



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The NAU may be the quintessential conspiracy theory for our time, according to scholars studying what the historian Richard Hofstadter famously called the "paranoid style" in American politics. The theory elegantly weaves old fears and new realities into one coherent and all-encompassing plan, and gives a glimpse of where, politically, many Americans are right now: alarmed over immigration, worried about globalization, and - on both sides of the partisan divide - suspicious of the Bush administration's expansive understanding of executive power.

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dcougar99
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quote:
Originally posted by diggerz
excellent, now read this...

scary stuff


http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/i...ero_conspiracy/


The NAU is being formed much like the EU was in the 50's... most people think that the birth of the EU was in 93... but it was being formed way back to 1951 with the European Coal and Steel Community and again in 1957 with the Treaty of Rome...

They don’t call it a union at first… for the EU its was the “European Coal and Steel Community”

For the US it’s the “Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America”

Its not a change that happens over night... that would scare the shit out of people! Slow incremental change as to be sure that the people don’t get scared!

Little by little our sovereignty is being lost and the currency will need replaced as to save us... just as with the Euro... we to will see the same.

and once this happens say goodbye to the US Constitution!!!!

Hey the EU has the “European Constitution”…

Can’t wait till I see what our lovely government puts in the North American Constitution… I am sure it will be for our best interest!

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It's good to see that people are finally waking up to all of this

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The Financial Crisis: A Big Unknown: Cost of Bailouts --- Profit Is Possible For Government If Firms Do Well

By Sudeep Reddy and John D. McKinnon
1245 words
18 September 2008
The Wall Street Journal
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(Copyright (c) 2008, Dow Jones & Company, Inc.)
The federal government, now in control of a trio of giant U.S. companies, faces the challenge of managing the troubled firms while trying to protect American taxpayers from losses.

Even as the financial crisis deepened Wednesday, government officials tried to figure out the implications of their $85 billion loan to American International Group Inc., a move that came 10 days after the federal takeover of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The financial consequences of the government actions will depend on how the companies ultimately perform. Fannie and Freddie are expected to be overhauled and subject to new regulations and oversight. AIG is expected to sell off several business lines, with its ultimate fate uncertain.

When the White House budget office releases its budget proposal early next year, the short-term budget impacts from the bailouts of Bear Stearns Cos., Fannie and Freddie, and AIG could range from zero to tens of billions of dollars, administration officials said. In the context of a 2009 budget deficit that already is projected to reach $500 billion, even big losses could look relatively insignificant. Over the longer term, the government could make money, particularly on the AIG deal.

A slowdown in tax revenue in 2009 could do more damage than the bailouts, a senior administration official said. "The much larger effect is what's going on with the overall economy and the effect on receipts," the official said. "It traditionally has gone up or down by hundreds of billions" based on swings in the economy. "That's what we're most concerned about anytime we estimate."

Calculating the longer-term outlook for Fannie and Freddie, in particular, is "like throwing darts in a dark room," said Sen. Judd Gregg of New Hampshire, the top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee. "No one has any idea what the cost is." He said the new president will face tight fiscal restraints on any new proposals in any case, and those could be made much worse by Fannie and Freddie.

The government interventions are the latest in a series of historic moves to resolve financial crises. The biggest was the government bailout of the savings-and-loan industry that began in 1989 and ultimately cost almost $500 billion. Other rescues led to profits, including a $250 million loan guarantee to Lockheed Aircraft Corp. in 1971; $1.2 billion in loan guarantees to Chrysler Corp. in 1979; and more than $6 billion in cash and loans to airlines in 2001.

"In individual company interventions in the modern era, the federal government generally did not lose money," said Roger Altman, a top Treasury official in both the Clinton and Carter administrations and an architect of the 1979 Chrysler loan. "They were structured very well, and the government's interest was well protected."

Mr. Altman said the structure of the AIG agreement could protect the federal government in a similar fashion. While the U.S. is in a "dangerous financial-market environment," he said, "it is entirely possible that after this interim period the federal government ultimately is repaid."

Key questions and complications remain. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson installed a new chief executive at AIG; Mr. Paulson's level of involvement, and that of his successor come January, isn't clear. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and other top officials presumably will be forced to spend considerable time overseeing the AIG loan while also handling monetary policy. And the exit plan for the government, and the taxpayer, is unknown.

Treasury and Fed officials "are doing what they have to do to keep the dominos from falling, and I support it," said Rep. John Spratt, the chairman of the House Budget Committee. "But the outlays are getting pretty big."

He said recurring federal-budget deficits already have raised alarms with foreign investors; that is one reason the government had to move decisively.

The Fed and Treasury devised the AIG loan package, which provides as much as $85 billion to the insurance giant, with only a couple of days of planning. They rushed to avert potentially disastrous consequences in financial markets. In return, the Fed took an equity stake of nearly 80% and is charging the company a high interest rate -- 8.5 percentage points above the London Interbank Offered Rate. The loan is designed to allow AIG to finance itself while selling off businesses.

The term of the loan -- two years -- indicates that the government designed the package to force the insurer to liquidate as quickly as possible, said Tom Gallagher, an analyst at ISI Group in Washington. "The risk is higher the longer-term the arrangement is," he said.

The government's role in handling the two mortgage giants is likely to be more political. Lawmakers are discussing how to protect some homeowners by modifying mortgage loans and minimizing foreclosures.

Fannie and Freddie own or guarantee more than $5 trillion of mortgages, underpinning the nation's housing market. The government's actual cost of bailing out the mortgage titans could be relatively small next year if the housing market doesn't deteriorate significantly.

But lawmakers also are mulling over worst-case scenarios from some analysts who say the government's exposure might be as much as $300 billion if the housing market fails to recover -- an amount that could damage the government's finances just as the fiscal pressure from baby-boomer retirements begins.

Given the uncertainties surrounding the bailouts, "this is a coin flip," said Robert Reischauer, who was director of the Congressional Budget Office during the savings-and-loan crisis in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

This time around, doubts arise from the economic outlook, as well as the actions of the federal government, international investors and other players. "There's obviously a lot more uncertainty about who's going to step in and backstop the system," said Mr. Reischauer, president of the Urban Institute, a Washington think tank. "There was no question with the S&L's." This crisis could be worse, he said, especially if international investors decide to pull back.

The reason for some optimism over the AIG deal is that the $85 billion loan is backed by some strong collateral: AIG's insurance businesses. It also carries a high interest rate. The government's 79.9% equity stake could turn a profit if the company rebounds.

In the case of the Bear Stearns bailout in March, the government accepted less-robust mortgage-backed securities as collateral for the $30 billion it offered to facilitate Bear's takeover by J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. Those assets could perform well, depending on the strength of the economy and the housing market over the next several years. In addition, J.P. Morgan is on the hook for the first $1 billion in losses, softening the blow to the government if the mortgage assets don't do well.

For a second straight day, President George W. Bush kept a low profile on the crisis.

"There are times, believe it or not, when policy makers actually need to, like, work on making some policy," said White House press secretary Dana Perino, explaining Mr. Bush's public silence. Mr. Bush sought to reassure the public Monday, but his comments appeared to have little effect on markets.



i'd post a link to the source but i copied it from factiva.

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quote:
Originally posted by diggerz
excellent, now read this...

scary stuff


http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/i...ero_conspiracy/



cute - but our constitution, case law, and statutes can't be nullified simply by entering into a treaty. At a very minimum, our constitution can only be modified by approval of 2/3 of the states. the consequence being that the movement would have to be submitted to each state, in which case, it is nearly impossible for it to go unnoticed.

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<< The Secret Government >>

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In a stark warning, Ron Paul stressed that the longer the value of the dollar is allowed to depreciate, the greater the risk becomes for the majority of Americans:

“The reason this is so important is that if you care about people in a humanitarian sense, what you want to do is protect the value of the money. Just think of the third world nations when they have total run away inflation, the middle class gets wiped out. And what we are seeing today is the middle class being jeopardized by this type of system that we have, unlimited spending, unlimited debt, unlimited creation of new credit.”

“So it’s time that we wake up… The answers are in the free market, sound money and our Constitution.” Paul concluded.



It's unfortunate for us that we don't have more Politicians like Ron Paul.

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