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Magnetonium
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United Nations passes a gag order on insulting religions (aka free speech killer)


I am surprised I didnt notice this earlier - and the media is pretty quiet about it. I read news every day and I didnt catch this until I found it by accident trying to find an unrelated article.

Islam - 5. Freedom of speech - 0. (first one - retractions / apologies on prophet cartoons, previous one scored with charges against criticising of Islam)

A new chapter in the rise of Islamic fundamentalism is here. The decline of our culture and society as we know it has began. Religion, in particularly Islam, has scored a huge victory here. Makes me wonder why BBC News all of a sudden has stopped posting about women's rights in Muslim countries ...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-speech-killer/

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UN warns: Don't defame religions, especially Islam

On Inauguration Day, after it got the United Nations to pass a gag rule on insulting religions, the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) told our new president in a New York Times ad that Muslims "have compelling strategic and moral reasons to cooperate and peacefully coexist with the United States in particular, and with the West in general."

Many Muslims here and elsewhere want that partnership; but some, jihadists in the name of Islam, disagree violently. In its address to our new president, the Organization of the Islamic Conference (which has permanent status at the United Nations) made no mention of its own strategic skills that resulted, on Dec. 18, in the passage by the U.N. General Assembly of a nonbinding resolution (with strong advice to its members) that condemns "defamation of religion," especially Islam.

In an 83 to 53 vote, with 42 abstentions, the U.N. General Assembly urged nations to provide "adequate protections" in their laws or constitutions against "acts of hatred, discrimination, intimidation and coercion resulting from defamation of religions and incitement to religious hatred in general."

Only Islam and Muslims are specifically named in this resolution against religious defamation, sponsored by Uganda on behalf of the 57-member Organization of the Islamic Conference, and cosponsored by Belarus and Venezuela. Opponents included the United States, a majority of European countries, Japan and India.

Those in favor said they do not want to limit free speech but do intend to stop such expressions as the 2005 Danish cartoons disrespecting the Prophet Muhammad that ignited violent protests by Muslims around the world.

Among the opponents, including myself, of this U.N. move to have its members legislate, with penalties, against such very broadly designated "religious defamation" is Floyd Abrams, the nation's leading protector of the First Amendment in the Supreme Court and in his writings. In his Dec. 9 lecture on global communications, issues at the United Nations itself in New York, he cited a recent study by the European Center for Law and Justice finding "that laws based on the concept of 'defamation of religion' actually help to create a climate of violence."

"Violators of these laws, as applied in most Muslim countries, are subject to the death penalty," Abrams continued. He cited from the study a 22-year-old Hindu in Pakistan who "was beaten to death by co-workers at a factory for allegedly committing the crime of blasphemy, which is a crime punishable by death in the country." The three workers were "charged not with murder but with 'failure to inform the police that blasphemy was under way.' "

As Abrams has noted, the effect of the U.N. resolution "would be just as dangerous if this did not (originally) come from the Islamic states, but came from any other group of states representing or purporting to speak for any other religion."

Another of America's leading First Amendment lawyers, Marc Stern, co-executive director of the American Jewish Congress, makes a crucial point: If this approach to "defamation of religion" were to become a crime under international law (under the impetus of the U.N. resolution), "nations would be able to seek extradition and trial abroad of persons who make statements critical or offensive to one or all faiths anywhere in the world."

Already, for example, as Reuters reported last June, Jordan prosecutor Hassan Abdullat subpoenaed "11 Danes for drawing and reprinting" cartoons that offend Islam. The Danes were charged - in Jordan - with "threatening the national peace." Under Jordanian law, Reuters reported, "reproducing images of the Prophet Muhammad inside - or even outside - the country is illegal under the Jordanian Justice Act."

One of the Danes summoned to Jordan was Kurt Westergaard, who, for years, has been subject to death threats for his cartoon, among others, of the Prophet Muhammad wearing a turban in the shape of a bomb.

When the riots and deaths following those Danish cartoons were reported in American newspapers, none of the offending cartoons was published accompanying the stories in major dailies, except the Philadelphia Inquirer and the New York Sun. But I ran the story at the Village Voice, where I then had a column, with the cartoon of Prophet Muhammad wearing the bomb-shaped turban.

I was damned if I'd be intimidated for doing my job as a reporter. For a couple of weeks, I was more vigilant than usual walking the streets, but I'm still here. What most stays in my mind is that long before the Dec. 18, 2008, resolution on defamation of religions, so much of the American free press refused to run even one of the cartoons at the core of the story, and hardly anything about the U.N.'s Dec. 18 resolution.

Did they not want to offend certain readers? Were they afraid? If the U.N. resolution became international law, the First Amendment would still protect opponents here, but think of the bloody impact on "defamers" around the world.


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Q5echo
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it must suck to constantly see yourself as a victim. how do you become happy?

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Magnetonium
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Originally posted by Q5echo
it must suck to constantly see yourself as a victim. how do you become happy?


I dont look at myself as a victim. I am just not amused by a lot of crap out there. There are a lot of issues in this world, and they bother me, but I am not a victim of many of those - some of them dont affect me at all, but I am not ignorant - I refuse to sit and pretend the world is a perfect place.

Look, where I live, most people of my age dont even know what Nepal is or who Sarkozy is. New generation of young people is very ignorant and too concerned about their TV culture and party life. I dont read fairy Harry Potter books and I dont watch Lord of the Ring shit - I look at the world for what it actually is.


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U.N. General Assembly urged nations to provide "adequate protections" in their laws or constitutions against "acts of hatred, discrimination, intimidation and coercion resulting from defamation of religions and incitement to religious hatred in general."


That's nice. I'm sure their "urging" is going to be soooo effective.

Not that I'm entirely against this, mind you; I have a great idea of how to protect against such acts. After all, no acts of hatred, discrimination, intimidation and coercion are likely to result from the defamation of religions no one surviving believes in...

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It's interesting that the Washington Times doesn't even try to hide its bias anymore.


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quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium


I dont look at myself as a victim. I am just not amused by a lot of crap out there. There are a lot of issues in this world, and they bother me, but I am not a victim of many of those - some of them dont affect me at all, but I am not ignorant - I refuse to sit and pretend the world is a perfect place.

Look, where I live, most people of my age dont even know what Nepal is or who Sarkozy is. New generation of young people is very ignorant and too concerned about their TV culture and party life. I dont read fairy Harry Potter books and I dont watch Lord of the Ring shit - I look at the world for what it actually is.


my bad. that was a rhetorical question and wasn't directed at you,

i was just remarking how some of the loudest voices in Islam constantly think of themselves as victims and not shepards

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It's interesting that the Washington Times doesn't even try to hide its bias anymore.


hope youre not trying to imply Nat Hentoff is a right-wing nutjob. that would be hilarious.

...and it was an editorial btw. bias is customary

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Re: United Nations passes a gag order on insulting religions (aka free speech killer)

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The decline of our culture and society as we know it has began.

Aw, man, so much for local constitutions! If the UN, with its unlimited power, urges our countries to provide "adequate protections" against "acts of hatred, discrimination, intimidation and coercion resulting from defamation of religions and incitement to religious hatred in general", we're doomed, and freedom of speech will be no more!


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I died a little on the inside reading that.



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I have a great idea of how to protect against such acts. After all, no acts of hatred, discrimination, intimidation and coercion are likely to result from the defamation of religions no one surviving believes in...


Much better idea than the UN one.


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Magnetonium
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Originally posted by Lira
Aw, man, so much for local constitutions! If the UN, with its unlimited power, urges our countries to provide "adequate protections" against "acts of hatred, discrimination, intimidation and coercion resulting from defamation of religions and incitement to religious hatred in general", we're doomed, and freedom of speech will be no more!


Yeah, when some Islamic fundamentalists have a bounty on your head, and when you'll be sued or jailed for defamation of religion, you'll quickly realize how much freedom you have!


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quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
hope youre not trying to imply Nat Hentoff is a right-wing nutjob. that would be hilarious.

...and it was an editorial btw. bias is customary



Um, he works for CATO. So if the shoe fits...

But I did think it was an editorial - which represents the paper's views. Turns out it was an op-ed - which represents an author's views. So it isn't so much the bias of the Times that shows, but the bias of a die-hard libertarian.


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Yeah, when some Islamic fundamentalists have a bounty on your head, and when you'll be sued or jailed for defamation of religion, you'll quickly realize how much freedom you have!



Yeah, because I'm sure that bounties are totally covered by the UN policy on anti-defamation retribution freedom that they will force all sovereign countries to adapt at pain of giving up their guns.


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