which do ye prefer?
can reaon compete with cubase?

You can use Reason rewired to Cubase and used them together!

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There is no way you can compare cubase and reason - therefore the question is invalid.

Reason is what it is. Both products are good, so get them both, if you fancy both of them.

You can say that an old car can be just as efficient as a new one, but the old car may not have electric windows.

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Originally posted by Subtle You can say that an old car can be just as efficient as a new one, but the old car may not have electric windows.

If you refer to reason with the old car, then the only thing I can say is that the old car recently got pimped and now leaves most other cars behind. (Thor is the name).

Ontopic: I used cubase for years along with a bunch of hardware and VSTs, I now use only reason and if I need vocals I rewire it with ableton. Fact is that reason -especially thor and the NNXT- can easily replace any product on the market both hard and software (real analogs left out).
Once you get your head around the way it works, you can learn to appreciate the semi-modularity of all devices, modulating one device with another. This is still quite unique I believe and great fun.

Ableton rewires much more intuitive than reason does so my choice was obvious.

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I hate reason more than any other sequencer I've tried thus far. This is an easy choice

There's only one reason to actually use reason, and that would be the synths and effects it has. If you don't like those (which I don't) it's useless. I don't like the workflow, the (messy) layout and the fact that it needs triple the ammount of work for a decent result.

I disagree with the above post about the NNXT. There's not that much special about it imo, most features it has come with decent samplers as well. I've never played with a reason version that had Thor in there so I wouldn't know anything about that.

In the end it comes down to personal preference. I own Cubase 4. I don't like that too much either. But it does what it should . I only use it for the occasional co-operation project.

I really digged Ableton live those couple of times I used it, but it's a resource hog. It's incredibly powerful in terms of workflow and efficiency. But the resource consuming engine just was too much for my old pc at the time.

I use renoise mostly. A small program, and very cheap (50E for a full program with full multi-core support and PDC, sampling, external instruments, etc etc.) Incredibly powerful (good with resources) and the workflow just works for me

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I love these questions - which is better? Halo 3, Icecream on a hot day or the Chicago Bulls?

Okay, it's not quite that random a question, but it's still a random question, since you haven't specified any parameters for discussion. What do you mean by "better", better in what way? Depending what you mean by that, the answer will be "yes", "no" or "makes no difference".

Each piece of software has pros and cons, some will be suited to some people better than others. For example, if you want to do a lot of audio recording and editing of the recorded waveforms, Cubase would be the better choice.

But Reason is totally self-contained, rock-solid, with drum machines, samplers, loop players, synths and heaps of sound processors. The file sizes are much smaller since you're not recording many channels of audio. There are many pluses, and Thor is a great synth, to my ears.

As some people have said, with Rewire you can use a combination of all the tools you like and make use of what they all do well, thus speeding up your workflow immensely. I'm currently using Cubase, with Reason and Live rewired into it. It doesn't have to be an "either-or" choice.

Haven't really used cubase much(just a little bit of playing around at school, and I've seen a few cubase centered tutorials), but I get the general idea. I've used fl a bit at my dads friends place too.

I'd have to say I really enjoy reason. Most of all because, I don't have to worry about peculiarities... or one vst being slightly better then another or anything. Just 2 very flexible synths that do pretty much everything I can think of (infact, I've only really been using thor so far) and pretty much everything I would want included.

Most of all though, I love the feel... and the simple fact of how solid it is. I've never used analog equipment or anything, but the whole rack flip idea is just so visceral and makes everything abundantly obvious. Along with the fact that being able to route devices to each other+very low cpu use=possibilities for lots of interesting stuff. Along with the combinator, things are a lot simpler when I can stick 3 synths in the combinator and change keyboard focus to it, and when I press a note they all play at the same time.

I'll probably have to move on from it some time if I want to use more powerful vsts or a virus ti or moog or anything, but I'm very happy with what it can do atm, and I do quite enjoy the overall workflow and feel of it.

Oh and thor... oh my god, after discovering how to emulate analog drift... oh my god is it the best sounding thing ever. I mean I pretty much only use the analog and maybe noise oscillaters so far, but even still, I love it allready.

6 detuned saw stab with some interesting although basic adsr settings for the filter/cutoff and a lfo set to 0.07hz with a random waveform routed to each oscillaters pitch (to attempt to emulate the analog pitch drift, as you can hear). Wav/hotlinked
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Originally posted by derail As some people have said, with Rewire you can use a combination of all the tools you like and make use of what they all do well, thus speeding up your workflow immensely. I'm currently using Cubase, with Reason and Live rewired into it. It doesn't have to be an "either-or" choice.

I've heard rewiring with reason kills workflow?

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Used Reason for 2 years then moved to Cubase several years ago. Would not even think of ever touching Reason again. Its a good starting point and good learning tool but for serious audio production it is very limiting IMO. I could not live without VST support.

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