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Read This! The Globe and Mail: A master plan to rein in 'Clubland'

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ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT: 'YOU NEED A VISION'
A master plan to rein in 'Clubland'

DAVE MCGINN

Special to The Globe and Mail

October 18, 2008

Business owners in Toronto's Entertainment District are poised to release a new master plan, and although they won't come right out and say it, the blueprint appears designed to put the squeeze on Richmond Street's booze-soaked club zone.

The strategy: Improve landscaping, protect heritage sites and, above all, encourage more residents, shops and restaurants to move in so there'll be a critical mass of people with a vested interest in cracking down on "Clubland."

"The reality is, the clubs cause more problems than they're worth," says Councillor Adam Vaughan, whose ward, Trinity-Spadina, includes the Entertainment District.

"I'm bringing in development to get rid of clubs. Boo-hoo."

Although Mr. Vaughan has been fighting nightclubs for two years, the difference now is that business owners in the Entertainment District - which, as a neighbourhood, stretches well beyond Richmond's nightclubs, as far south as Lake Shore Boulevard - founded a formal Business Improvement Area (BIA) last November.

Since then they've spent more than $50,000 hiring an urban design firm to draft the master plan, which will be presented to the BIA's board next month. Some club owners fear it's all subtly engineered to force them out of business.

"Clubs are too often unfairly demonized," says Peter Gatien, owner of CiRCA, a 55,000-square-foot nightclub on John Street south of Richmond. "If they make it impossible for legitimate operators to function, it will end up going the way it was 10 or 15 years ago, where you had raves in warehouses and unsafe areas."

The Entertainment District boasts about 2,000 businesses. (Not all are members of the BIA.) The BIA began working on the master plan in the spring. "You need a vision," says Jack Robinson, chair of the BIA's board.

"The master plan can assist in guiding us with decisions, priorities, impacts on the physical environment of the district in a strategic way so that we can go forward with the city to make things happen."

While the master plan has long-term goals that may not be realized for a decade, the first phase is expected to roll out as early as next year, a phase that will include "beautification" projects.

"The reality is that the club district is changing," says Harold Madi of The Planning Partnership, which the BIA hired to write the master plan. "The real exciting stuff in this master plan is, what does that Richmond-Adelaide corridor become, what's it going to evolve into?"

An online survey conducted earlier this year by the BIA as part of the master-plan process identified "noise, crime and safety" as an "issue."

But pushing clubs out is not a goal of the plan, says Mr. Robinson.

"I think it's important to have clubs. You've got to have some reasonable, good entertainment. It's just got to be the right people and safe," he says.

Indeed, the BIA has formed a "safe streets" committee tasked with the job of "constantly working with police" and ensuring that "forms are filled out when somebody sees something that is not right," says Mr. Robinson.

The owner of the club Crocodile Rock sits on the BIA board, says Mr. Robinson, and other clubs have been invited to participate in creating the master plan.

But some clubs are just now discovering that a plan exists.

"This is the first I've heard of the master plan," says Arthur Geringas, general manager of Republik nightclub.

With the plan calling for more residential units and retail businesses in the area, it will inevitably increase pressure on clubs to close, he says. "There's a general sense against nightclubs to begin with downtown, so anything at this point doesn't really surprise me."

For his part, Mr. Vaughan believes the club fad is beginning to disappear on its own - the BIA master plan and his crackdowns are only hastening the inevitable.

The club industry "is a generational phenomena that's had its moment and is disappearing all over North America," he says.

"We're just making sure it disappears in a responsible way and what gets replaced with it is not empty warehouses but, in fact, the new neighbourhood. And if [clubs] don't like it, well, they can move."

While the club district is changing, it is still too dangerous, he says. "From 3 o'clock in the morning to 5 o'clock in the morning it's a friggin' war zone. It's less so now. We've been cracking down for two straight years and coming after the club owners with everything we can get our hands on."

However, Mr. Vaughan says he is not intent on forcing all clubs out of the neighbourhood. "If we build the neighbourhood properly, then the good nightclubs will survive and be viable and contributing partners to the business community," Mr. Vaughan says.

Mr. Gatien says he will be happy to see more cafés and retail stores brought to the Entertainment District. However, he says nightclubs contribute to the culture of Toronto, and their contribution should not be ignored by the BIA or the city.

"I believe that most of the operators in this area are very focused and they're very legitimate," says Mr. Gatien. "If they treat us fairly, we can survive."


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"The reality is, the clubs cause more problems than they're worth," says Councillor Adam Vaughan, whose ward, Trinity-Spadina, includes the Entertainment District.


According to who? It's easy for him to say as someone of an older generation who doesn't go to clubs anymore. What about the younger generation? I'm pretty sure it matters to them.

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"Clubs are too often unfairly demonized," says Peter Gatien, owner of CiRCA, a 55,000-square-foot nightclub on John Street south of Richmond. "If they make it impossible for legitimate operators to function, it will end up going the way it was 10 or 15 years ago, where you had raves in warehouses and unsafe areas."


This is a very good point. Vaughn is quite egotistical and delusional if he thinks that this plan is just going to suddenly make people want to stop partying and going to clubs. After working hard all week, people are going to want to let loose and have fun.

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While the master plan has long-term goals that may not be realized for a decade, the first phase is expected to roll out as early as next year, a phase that will include "beautification" projects.


Does anyone know what this entails?

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For his part, Mr. Vaughan believes the club fad is beginning to disappear on its own - the BIA master plan and his crackdowns are only hastening the inevitable.

The club industry "is a generational phenomena that's had its moment and is disappearing all over North America," he says.

"We're just making sure it disappears in a responsible way and what gets replaced with it is not empty warehouses but, in fact, the new neighbourhood. And if [clubs] don't like it, well, they can move."


LOL. Is this guy for real? I'd like to know where he came up with this one.

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While the club district is changing, it is still too dangerous, he says. "From 3 o'clock in the morning to 5 o'clock in the morning it's a friggin' war zone. It's less so now. We've been cracking down for two straight years and coming after the club owners with everything we can get our hands on."


I've never understood this argument. How is it the fault of the club owner if drunk idiots cause trouble after they leave the club? It's the drunken idiots' fault! What is a club owner supposed to do to stop this?

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However, Mr. Vaughan says he is not intent on forcing all clubs out of the neighbourhood. "If we build the neighbourhood properly, then the good nightclubs will survive and be viable and contributing partners to the business community," Mr. Vaughan says.


Yea ok - give me a break. I'm sure some night clubs will be allowed to stay under his plan too. So long as they are family-friendly, no alcohol is served, close at 8pm, and the only song that is played is Kumbaya. Holding hands and forced smiles are mandatory.

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i lol'd when he said nightclubs are disappearing all over north america


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wow, this guy is nuts, usualy politicians with their fancy plannings for the urban hipsters don't tell the obvious: quiet down neighbourhoods and kill nighlife.

Do you guys really want Toronto to become a boring city like Bordeaux or countless other quiet cities?


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wow, this guy is nuts, usualy politicians with their fancy plannings for the urban hipsters don't tell the obvious: quiet down neighbourhoods and kill nighlife.

Do you guys really want Toronto to become a boring city like Bordeaux or countless other quiet cities?


Nope. If it does, I'm out of here.

As someone who is about to finish my post-secondary education and is looking for somewhere to start my career, the entertainment a city provides is very important, as I'm sure it is for many other young urban professionals. If Vaughn was given free reign, I would probably move cities given what would likely happen. Also, for skilled young people looking to move to the city, I'm sure entertainment is a big consideration too. For them, steps in this direction are certainly going to add to the "cons" side of the list for Toronto.

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Clubs have had many forms in the past, it's really crazy to say it's only a generational fad.


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Fuck me.

Who is this Vaughan guy? I just read his bio and I must admit, I am appalled that such a straight laced, formal guy is councillor for the area, I mean, come on - would you want Attila the Hun representing a Kibbutz?

He clearly has no understanding of the 'scene' and to be honest, I find his comments akin to prohibition.

After not being able to get Sam's car after Circa because of a shooting, I totally understand the desire to clean up the area - forcing clubs underground is not the way to do it.

And as for the 'generational fad' comment, my dad used to go to a place called the Torch in the UK and some of the kids I see out could be my kids (almost) so that's 3 generations right there!


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Yes, I'm sure that the city fathers thought the Palais Royale was a generational fad, too. (I mean its first incarnation.)

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What a whiny little bitch.

I can understand him following in his father's footsteps of wanting to take the 'pro-neighbourhood' reins over in city hall but demonizing clubs is not the way to go.


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hes not demonizing clubs, hes demonizing clubland.

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wow. that quotation about clubs being a "generational phenomenon" really illustrates the fact that this Vaughan guy is clueless!!! LOL


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hes not demonizing clubs, hes demonizing clubland.


Yep. Still, there is not too much of a difference between the two.


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