Watch this documentary. You will see how it all started. Frankly, this is as best an indictment of the Bush Administration for war crimes as any solid case could bring. My opinion, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld should be charged for war crimes and tried in the Hague Courts.

http://torturingdemocracy.org/

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Short excerpts. I'm just waiting for anyone, ANYONE, to even try to defend this.

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powerful stuff...

one of the people interviewed early on in this doco, Moazzam Begg, wrote a book about his experiences in Guantanamo. It is an excellent read, written by a very intelligent man:

Enemy Combatant: A British Muslim's Journey to Guantanamo and Back
(ISBN 0-7432-8567-0)

I suggest you read

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Thanks for posting. Keep it up as long as they're from orgs like PBS

What really pisses me off is 500 detainees at Guantanamo have been released without charges. Tortured. Detained. Without charges. The day Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Yoo, and Haynes are prosecuted for war crimes is the day I believe America really stands for justice. As it is, the dream that was once America is long gone. Wait, just wait, for when our service men are captured, they will subjected to the same treatment, if worse.

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Originally posted by Krypton the dream that was once America is long gone

It was only ever a dream. People have always, always ate up this whole "American Dream" shit, so there has always been a market for it, but in reality the United States is a country, just like any other, that has committed atrocious acts with the justification of defense or politically alignment. It is simply the very nature of any government.

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Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

This is a sad reality, I hate how patriotic Americans can be at times, when the webbing of their sustainability is more or less evil when it comes down to it.

A classic right wing nut Elizabeth Hasselbeck type response to this would be...oh, its a fabricated documentary bla bla bla and pull the propoganda card. its good to see some higherups in this to give these types of people credibility

and why was the first guy tortured by the yanks? or was it the South Viets??

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi This is a sad reality, I hate how patriotic Americans can be at times, when the webbing of their sustainability is more or less evil when it comes down to it. A classic right wing nut Elizabeth Hasselbeck type response to this would be...oh, its a fabricated documentary bla bla bla and pull the propoganda card. its good to see some higherups in this to give these types of people credibility and why was the first guy tortured by the yanks? or was it the South Viets??

THis bitch...

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Krypton, if you found those interesting, there's tons of shit I posted on the subject in this thread:

tranceaddict Forums > Other > Political Discussion / Debate > New Accounts of Torture by U.S. Troops...

back in the day when I thought people actually gave a shit and / or saw Muslims / people of Middle Eastern / South Asian / Persian descent as human beings.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by Krypton THis bitch...

Indochina? hahahaha

FUCKKKKKK shes a best selling author.

Thanks for posting - just watched all 3 episodes.

Pretty chilling stuff. Sad that we've come so far, yet not come very far at all.

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