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Dj Smitty20
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Registered: Nov 2002
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LASIK eye surgery...

There might be a thread on this somewhere already, but I didn't find one in the search.

So I've been wearing glasses for the last ten years. My most recent pair are quite fashionable (Ray Ban) and glasses do suit me, but they're still glasses. And they're horribly expensive. I have some kind of recently discovered astigmatism that requires a "prism" in my glasses to help me focus better, along with the common near sightedness. Even with the 2 for 1 deal I got two years ago, it was still over 500 dollars. At the moment, I do not have benefits at work (one day, but not now) so the eye surgery at circa $500 an eye seems like a sound investment.

I'm sure those of us that wear spectacles have considered the LASIK correction surgery at some point or another. A few years ago I didn't consider it to be appropriate for me because the idea of lasers zapping into my eyes with irreversible results freaked me right out, but it seems fairly established these days and I have only heard positive things from the few people I've talked to who have had it done.

Has anybody here had it done? I'm familiar with some of the risks, but any additional info would be appreciated.


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Sentinal
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500 sounds really low to be honest dude. My doc said that like everything in life you get what you pay for. She told me there was a place at Yonge and Eglinton that charged about 2k per eye. she refused to openly recommend any other facility.

I guess I would just say this, dont fuck around with your vision. It is one of those things you dont want to have come bite you in the ass in future.

I will try and get the name of the Surgeon for you.

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Dj Smitty20
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I've heard that it can cost upwards of 5 grand. That would be cost prohibitive to me (and to most people I would imagine). The $500 per eye figure I threw out there is based on what I heard from a friend who is also considering the surgery so he can stop spending hundreds of dollars a year on contacts. My cousin had hers done while teaching English in South Korea and it was less than $1500 US 5 years ago. Her vision is impeccable now.

Does anybody know if employee benefit plans would apply to this surgery? One day I'll eventually crack into that Ontario teacher's union and get sweet ass vision care, but I'd rather ditch the glasses before I'm 30!


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I_Am_Vince
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quote:
Originally posted by Sentinal


I know a few people who paid about 500 an eye and had no problems with it. It's people like you who think "it's my eyes and I want to be safe" are the ones paying 2000 an eye or are covered under benefits that they don't care how much it costs. I'm sure if those places that charges 500 messes up it would be all over the news and closed down.

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Dj Smitty20
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quote:
Originally posted by Invasionmix
I know a few people who paid about 500 an eye and had no problems with it. It's people like you who think "it's my eyes and I want to be safe" are the ones paying 2000 an eye or are covered under benefits that they don't care how much it costs. I'm sure if those places that charges 500 messes up it would be all over the news and closed down.


This was a private clinic here in London that was advertising for $550 per eye. There are risks, to be sure, and there are still long term (10 years plus) implications, but so many people seem to be getting it done and I haven't heard a lot of negativity. I'll run this by my GP and get his take on it. He's a stud.


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torontotrncelvr
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I had it done 9 years ago at TLC at Yonge and York Mills. Cost me about $5000 back then, but is definitely the best $ I have ever spent. Absolutely do it. Life is so much better without glasses!


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Sentinal
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quote:
Originally posted by Invasionmix
I know a few people who paid about 500 an eye and had no problems with it. It's people like you who think "it's my eyes and I want to be safe" are the ones paying 2000 an eye or are covered under benefits that they don't care how much it costs. I'm sure if those places that charges 500 messes up it would be all over the news and closed down.


It's not news worthy. If there is a problem it is usually reduced vision over a period of time (5-10 years) and from what I heard is somewhat common. The places that charge more (at least the reputible ones) have a vision garuntee. That is, IF the patients vision gradually becomes poor, they will administor additional treatment at no additional cost. The places that are cheap or offer 2-1 usually do not. So in reality, pay now or pay later.

I guess it is all based on your personal risk tolerence, and as Vince said whether or not you have benefits. But for eye surgery the benefits are usually the same as what a person would get for their glasses / contacts per year. I know my plan with Sunlife is 500 a year.

So if I were to go to a more expensive clinic I would still be paying about 3500 out of pocket. But it is tax deductible as well, something definatly good to keep in mind as well.

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DigiNut
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$500 an eye is the price I've heard, and as with you, I've heard only good things. I've considered it myself many times but just never gotten around to doing the requisite research to convince myself that it's safe and will last reasonably long.

I think someone on TA actually got it done in the past year, but I don't remember who. Hopefully he's reading this.


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rabbitjoker
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Registered: Aug 2002
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http://thelasikreport.com/TheLasikReport_April2008.pdf


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http://www.lasikcomplications.com/risks.htm


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Dj Smitty20
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quote:
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http://www.lasikcomplications.com/risks.htm


thank you for guiding me to a site that posted videos of things going into people's eyes and fucked up eyes. You freaked me right out, ******.

That definitely is something to think about. The report is quite recent (2008). Again, I'll talk to my GP. He's given me the low down on BS before and been right.


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simms327
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I had LASIK done in Edmonton @ LASIK MD on April 2nd 2009.

I did not plan it, I was walking by the store, and decided to go in and ask if they had an available consultation, which they did. I went through the consultation where they do a bunch of tests (they MIGHT dialate your pupils, but only in the case of strong prescriptions - they didn't do mine). After the consultation, they give you the price if the surgery, financing options, etc.

The way it works (at least with LASIK MD) is, the stronger your prescription, the more expensive it is. The $490-550/eye you see quoted in the newspaper is for a person who has a basic prescription of -1.00 in both eyes, with no astigmatisms, or any other issues. In the consultation they said I had larger than average pupils (large pupils cause halos) and thinner than average corneas (if they are too thin, they will won't be able to make a flap). But they were apparantly well with in the acceptable range.

My eyes were:

L=-2.5
R=-2.0 but with an astigmatism, so total power = -2.50

LASIK MD offers two types of basic treatment, the standard LASIK and something called Custom Wavefront, which is supposedly newer and better. The difference as I understood it, was that standard the standard LASIK laser cuts away your cornea in 0.2mm dots, where as the Custom Wavefront does it in 0.1mm dots, so it is supposed to be more accurate, and then they can blend the shaping better.

As any smart business person does, they try to sell you insurance as well, which gives free touch-ups if certain things happen etc... I read all the fine print, and like a lot of optional insurance, its just a good way for them to make money.

So for the basic LASIK (With no insurance) the total cost before tax was around $1800, and the Custom Wavefront (the custom wavefront includes all the insurance, and you cant get rid of it - so basically they will re-do it for free for your lifetime if you dont have 20/20, but again, lots of legal mumbo-jumbo) was quoted at $3300.

I went for the custom wavefront, solely for the improved laser. Obviously they were selling a more expensive service to me, but it was supposed to decrease the chance of halos, and improve the chance of perfect vision at the end of it all.

So I went in and had the surgery, I am sure they make a killing of this, as every 15 minutes they do somebody. Your time with the surgeon is basically "Hi, Im Dr. XXXX, how are you feeling? Good? Great! Any Questions? No? Ok then, lets go". The procedure is quick, and it is not painful, although it is certainly not comfortable, as I'm sure you can see in the videos on youtube. The worst part is, you can smell the laser burning your cornea. Nothing like the smell of burnt cornea to wake you up! After the procedure, everything is slightly blurry and they make you sit down in a dark room for an hour and wait, so they can check and see that everything is ok. In this time the numbing eye drops they put in for the surgery wear off, and your eyes start to really hurt. For me it felt like I had sand in my eye and was blinking, only I wasn't blinking. My eyes felt very scratchy. Afterwards they check your flap, and your vision, put in some more numbing drops and tell you to go home and sleep if you can. You have to go and buy some eye drops (~$60) and wear the provided sunglasses for two days. However, here was when I was really happy, I walked home (only 5 mins) but walking down the street I could see so crisp and clear down the street, it was incredible. Things I couldn't see sharply with my glasses were in perfect focus. When you get home no TV, Reading, Computer, nothing, nothing that causes strain on the eye for at least 24-48 hours. I went home and lay on the couch, and tried to sleep - I could not. That evening wasn't very nice - my eyes were sore, and my gf had to do everything for me, and my eyes were sore. At night you have to tape covers on your eyes so that you dont rub them while sleeping.

The day after you have to go back for a 24 hour appointment, and they just check you up again and send you on your way. I spent the next three days doing nothing, lying down, talking on the phone in a dark room with sunglasses on and taking my eye drops every hour. This was above and beyond the recommended procedure, but i wanted to make sure my eyes were rested. However, the few times I did look out the window, the farthest buildings were in perfect focus. So from day 1, my eyes have been for the most part perfect.

When looking outside at night in the first few days, I could definatly see halos - big ones, however every day they got better and better, and I would say after the first week were largely gone, or at least to the point that I couldn't notice it. Since the surgery my eye sight has been perfect (as far as I can tell) every day except for two or three when I let my eyes get too dry (more on that later). The only time I have trouble with my vision is in low contrast lighting. For example, once the sun has gone down, and everything is dim, but the street lights aren't on yet, and I am driving, if a car with bi-xenons approaches, I can't even see what kind of car is coming. Also, I have noticed in general, that when outdoors, my eyesight is much better than when in indoors. Not a lot, but noticeably so.

The only side effect that I have really noticed is dryness. For the first 3 weeks, every day I woke up, and my eyes have been terribly dry, to the point where it hurts to open them. The first thing I do when i get up, is instead of reaching over for my glasses, I reach over for lubricating eye drops and do my eyes. For the first week, it was really bad, I had to put drops in every 15-30 minutes. However i attribute most of this to living in Edmonton in April - Very Very dry. For Easter a week later, I went to Victoria, and the problem got way better, I was down to 4 drops a day, instead of twice an hour. I went back to Edmonton, and it got worse again, back to every hour or so. Now I am in Abu Dhabi, and in an Air conditioned office every day, and I would say I put drops in every 2 hours. I have had two friends who also had LASIK, and they both had this problem for 4 months, at which point it went away. I have been noticing an improvement, and at the moment it doesnt bother me too much, as when i used to wear contacts, i would get very very dry eyes anyway. If the problem is not gone by 3-5 months, I will be annoyed.

Overall I have been very happy with the procedure. The dryness will hopefully go away, and my vision is excellent. I am also only 1.5 months post-surgery, and they said that it will take 3-4 months for your eyes to fully heal, and what your vision is at 3-4 months, is the way it will stay, so I still have a ~2 months to go.

If you have any more questions, I will be happy to answer.

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