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not one professionally but I know a little..just post the question.

Isn't Omega M a physicist or something? Maybe you could PM him.

Just post it here. Heaps of people here know a lot about it without describing themselves as professional cosmologists.. it'd be interesting to read anyway.

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ok basically..dont fuck me over i got 5 big ones riding on this.

"no object with mass can move faster than the speed of light"

thats what i said... he bet against that.

then he pulls up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_...ster_than_light

and now i need some authoritative documents so i can be richer

Ironically I remember hearing something about this recently, but I don't have any documents to prove, that at this point in time, we have no solid proof showing anything can travel faster than the speed of light.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail ok basically..dont fuck me over i got 5 big ones riding on this. "no object with mass can move faster than the speed of light" thats what i said... he bet against that. then he pulls up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_...ster_than_light and now i need some authoritative documents so i can be richer

Didn't really get what wiki was saying so I cant help you. Havent gotten to it yet but I suggest downloading Episode 3 Season 3 of the Universe. The description of the episode is this ; According to the laws of physics we can never travel faster than the speed of light...or can we? Learn all about light speed, the ultimate constant in the universe.

Here's a nice page on faster than light stuff:

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physi...fLight/FTL.html

You right and he is wrong. No object can move faster through light THROUGH SPACE, but space itself can (and probably is) expanding much faster than the speed of light. We have no idea what it's expanding into however and no way to measure it's true "speed" through whatever it is expanding into, because whatever lies outside our the universe is beyond our comprehension...It is entering the realm of guesswork and philosophy, not science. Everything we know and are able to measure is within our physical universe..and all matter within the physical universe is limited by the light barrier.

Objects that appear to be moving away faster than light most definitely are NOT. It is space itself that is expanding between them and us. Think of an ant walking along the surface of a deflated baloon at .01mph. If you take a huge breath and blow the baloon up completely in a fraction of a second, the distance the ant travels from it's starting position is very large. His DISTANCE has increased because the object he is traveling across has expanded in size..but the SPEED in which he is moving across the object has not changed at all. It's the exact same situation with distant galaxies. They are not moving away from us faster than light. The balloon is just getting bigger.

to summarize: yes, space itself can expand faster than light..but since space has no mass and certainly isn't an "object", he is wrong.

Last edited by Capitalizt on May-29-2009 at 02:24

As far as I understand:

According to Special relativity you're right. The issue is inertial frames - since when you speak of velocity you're referring to velocity of an object within the same inertial frame as the observer. This paper should explain how galaxies observed to be moving away from us at faster than the speed of light do not contradict special relativity: http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0310808v2 as far as I understand it because they are not in the same inertial frame as us.

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"many species of bear give blowjobs." - Originally posted by Sunsnail.. NOW CONFIRMED BY PHOTO EVIDENCE!
"astroboy is brave and gentle and wise." - Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
"ew! i wouldn't go anywhere near a homeless dudes butthole... not even if i was sodomizing him with a poison ivy cactus dildo" - Originally posted by lücid
"also can someone post the link to my mom's forum, thank you!" - Originally posted by miamitrance04
"dude man its not me its what the world does to me. Trust me I'm a normal person people just constantly fuck with me." Originally posted by ********
"I can see Lira getting a hard-on already. And believe me, Brazilian ass rape is the worst." - Originally posted by Meat187

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Originally posted by astroboy As far as I understand: According to Special relativity you're right. The issue is inertial frames - since when you speak of velocity you're referring to velocity of an object within the same inertial frame as the observer. This paper should explain how galaxies observed to be moving away from us at faster than the speed of light do not contradict special relativity: http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0310808v2 as far as I understand it because they are not in the same inertial frame as us.

Astroboy has it.

Sunsnail, you'r wrong. The expansion of space itself contributes to the speed of a distant galaxy traveling away from us..

the galaxies are at rest though. im arguing that "galaxies moving away from us faster than SOL" is not the same as "objects can move faster than the SOL"