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they thanks for the reply... it sounds a bit alike.. only problem with this is as i said im new to all this stuff lol so i dont really know how to configure the synth to get the sound.. i know what the ops are and how they affect each other on fm synth but wtf is "car" lol also..what waveforms did u use and that stuff.. i would really like to learn to program my own sounds instead of using presets so much help aprecciated..thanks a lot
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