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gsmaverick
Junior tranceaddict
Registered: Mar 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I have just bounced a section with just the kick to try & see what I could get out of it, but I can't seem to get that overall volume increase.
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Aug-06-2009 20:46
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Tarpex
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Registered: Aug 2005
Location: Kamnik, Slovenia
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Are you looking at the waveforms of whole tracks?
Because there's a simple explanation of why their kicks appear so huge on the waveform - whole track is mixed to a small relative dB difference, meaning there isn't much difference in overall meters throughout the mixdown, then compressed and limited to 0 dB, that's why kicks bang till 0 on the finished waveform, they're not at all that way to begin with, we're mostly using the same sample packs anyway, it's all in the mixdown and mastering 
edit: Actually trying to get to 0 dB kick in tracking stage isn't a good idea at all, since you kill all your headroom right there on the spot.
If you're using your own synthesized kick exclusively, make sure to compress and limit them to -0.1 on their own (important!), render them as wav's and then put that kick in your project set to a normal level while mixing, then proceed with the usual mix&master procedure, failsafe 
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Last edited by Tarpex on Aug-06-2009 at 21:03
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Aug-06-2009 20:55
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gsmaverick
Junior tranceaddict
Registered: Mar 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Basically when I line up one of my kicks in isolation with another kick in isolation my kick's waveform only takes up about 1/3 of the display while the other kick takes anywhere from 50% up to 95% of the display.
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Aug-06-2009 21:05
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derail
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Feb 2007
Location: Canberra, Australia
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In terms of not being able to get the same apparent loudness, potentially the kick you're using has a heap of sub-bass frequencies you can't hear on your setup. Run it through a frequency analyser and compare the low end (say, under 40Hz) and if needed, use a highpass filter to cut out the low end.
However, this is a different issue to the waveform not appearing "as large" as a professionally mastered song. Does your kick touch 0dB anywhere - does the initial attack transient hit 0dB, then it quickly gets a lot quieter, so the waveform doesn't look as full? If so, then you'll need to use some compression/ limiting to bring down the level of the attack transient in relation to the rest of the kick, which will allow you to bring the overall level up.
If not, then it seems your DAW has an inbuilt "safety net" which doesn't allow the sound to quite reach 0dB. In which case you should be able to get the sound up to 0dB using an external audio editing program (such as Soundforge, Wavelab or something else).
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Aug-06-2009 22:33
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Borbus
tranceaddict in training
Registered: Jul 2009
Location: Milton Keynes, UK
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A kick should not ever peak at 0dB on its own. If the kick is peaking at 0dB during the intro then during the climax of the song (which I'm assuming has a lot of other parts), the kick must be quieter! Why would you want your kick to be louder during the intro than the climax?
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Aug-07-2009 12:50
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