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Aaron C.
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Just a generalized question. For the most part, do sets based in 4/4 beat structure seem to lose flow and drag when the same beat rate is held for about 4 tracks, let's say for around 20 minutes?
Theories, ideas, advice please?
I figure this depends on the music involved, but any one with any insight on this would be much appreciated.


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Not at all.

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Seriously, just beatmatch it, and play it.

It's the tunes themselves, not the beat, that will make a set flow or not flow.

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Well, if you have any tracks in other beat structures, just try mixing it.


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Thank you all for your help. I really appreciate it.


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I`m pretty sure 99.9999% of EDM is in 4/4

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Re: Music theory (In context of beat rate)

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Originally posted by Surfmorworkless
Just a generalized question. For the most part, do sets based in 4/4 beat structure seem to lose flow and drag when the same beat rate is held for about 4 tracks, let's say for around 20 minutes?
Theories, ideas, advice please?
I figure this depends on the music involved, but any one with any insight on this would be much appreciated.


Two things:

1. 4/4 and 'four-to-the-floor' are not the same thing. You are talking about the latter.

2. The answer to your original question is an emphatic 'no'. You don't need to vary BPM to achieve different intensity levels.

For example, take a look at these two tracks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOxPpg_KCKs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA-Zs06sQ9I

The first track is 127 BPM, the second is 128. Notice the huge difference in intensity? It's not because of the BPM, it's because of more percussion and a faster melody in the second track.

I actually had a second example which was 124 BPM and sounded far more intense than the first, but couldn't find a youtube clip for it.

You can easily build your sets by staying at the same BPM for as long as you like, provided you have adequate variation in intensity of tracks to keep things interesting.

Conversely, moving between BPMs is also fine. If you had a track at 125BPM and another at 130 there is nothing wrong with using a few tracks in between those two speeds to bridge the gap.

Hope that helps.


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Aaron C.
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Re: Re: Music theory (In context of beat rate)

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Originally posted by Domesticated
Two things:

1. 4/4 and 'four-to-the-floor' are not the same thing. You are talking about the latter.

2. The answer to your original question is an emphatic 'no'. You don't need to vary BPM to achieve different intensity levels.

For example, take a look at these two tracks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOxPpg_KCKs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA-Zs06sQ9I

The first track is 127 BPM, the second is 128. Notice the huge difference in intensity? It's not because of the BPM, it's because of more percussion and a faster melody in the second track.

I actually had a second example which was 124 BPM and sounded far more intense than the first, but couldn't find a youtube clip for it.

You can easily build your sets by staying at the same BPM for as long as you like, provided you have adequate variation in intensity of tracks to keep things interesting.

Conversely, moving between BPMs is also fine. If you had a track at 125BPM and another at 130 there is nothing wrong with using a few tracks in between those two speeds to bridge the gap.

Hope that helps.


Thank you.


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Very interestting point.

personally, to avoid a stagnant feel of a set i dont mix in 2-3 tracks of the same genre in a row.
A progression through various styles of trance (or whatever)in a set is a good way to keep the set changing & not have that specific genre feel to it.

A perfect example of a stagnant set is reaching a pleateau at the start & then keeping the energy level there for the next 7 songs. Whats that gonna achieve? The climaxes (*giggles*) will not be as effective.

imo, that is!

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It doesn't. To keep a mix interesting you need to have a good track selection, good structure/track placement, and good transitions thats the main key.

Harmonic mixing also helps out a lot once you understand how it works and how to use it.

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