lol i think it's the second thread about problems with southern sun

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WHAT??.. I just have bought mine at chemical. is on Perfecto records, does yours is on perfecto records??, I hope mine wont ´cut of, maybe u have a bad pressed Vineyl, or maybe all of them are bad pressed., if someone has the same problem, post it here.

I've got the same vinyl. The track is a bitch to mix into and out of.
Oakey has expressed displeasure with this remix, maybe he fixed it so that the released version of it is so hard to mix that most DJ's just won't bother, thus the mix doesn't get heard too much.
Or maybe I'm just paranoid.
Or maybe I'm just a bad DJ.

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Originally posted by J-PAX I've got the same vinyl. The track is a bitch to mix into and out of. Oakey has expressed displeasure with this remix, maybe he fixed it so that the released version of it is so hard to mix that most DJ's just won't bother, thus the mix doesn't get heard too much. Or maybe I'm just paranoid. Or maybe I'm just a bad DJ.

Well, i have heard before that is hard to mix, But the question is: Does your Record cut off very early in the Tiesto Rmx, I mean is cutted of even when the Vocals are Singing¿?

And I thought I was the only one with the problem..

Mine starts to fade off soon after the vocal ends, about 16 to 32 beats after the last hint of vocal. That's not a very long time to mix in a new track. Worst thing is, how do you do a transition with a bassline that's going softer and softer!

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Yeah there's another thread about this lol!!! Some good information in it, check it out. Should be further down the page.

Actually I don't find this track difficult to mix into at all - it's just difficult to mix out of because of the cut-off. Speaking of which...

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Originally posted by CarlosM Well, i have heard before that is hard to mix, But the question is: Does your Record cut off very early in the Tiesto Rmx, I mean is cutted of even when the Vocals are Singing¿?

No. It's structured like this (this is purely from memory as I'm at work now):

After the last major breakdown in the track, the main part starts up again (it's really beautiful here but anyway let's talk analysis shall we). It lasts for 4 phrases (what I call phrases - 4 beats to a bar, 8 bars to a phrase -> 32 beats per phrase, so 4 phrases are 128 beats), as per the standard trance (4/4) formula. However, at the fourth phrase the beat dies down for that phrase, so it's like a mini-breakdown. After that the beat comes back but there is no singing. This lasts for 2 phrases (64 beats) before the music *SHARPLY* fades out. Actually it starts fading a bit before the second phrase ends, so if you're still mixing at that point it will sound awkward with the music fading out.

What I'm experimenting now is to start mixing in at that little "mini" breakdown, following the 3 phrases after the last major breakdown. Then when the beat comes in again I make sure to reduce the volume of that channel otherwise it sounds like the song is coming back. After all, it really is an unnatural point to mix in at.

Now, what's actually supposed to happen is that the beat lasts for 2 phrases after that "mini" breakdown. After that the beat continues but the music tones down a little. Also the vocals pop in again at that point. HOWEVER it's the perfect place to start mixing out.

Unfortunately the song doesn't make it that far. I'm really really annoyed at Perfecto for truncating this awesome track in this fashion. It's really a low, low blow.

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Originally posted by J-PAX Oakey has expressed displeasure with this remix, maybe he fixed it so that the released version of it is so hard to mix that most DJ's just won't bother, thus the mix doesn't get heard too much.

You know I'm sort of believing that. Otherwise I don't see much sense in this entire thing.

That's the wierd thing. I know it sounds pretty absurd but I wouldn't put it past Oakey and his ego. It's a shame really...

Does your vinyl cover have all red and have a black painted manequin on it?

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Does your vinyl cover have all red and have a black painted manequin on it?

Yes, and with white/black stripes on the back. It's the Perfecto release.

Southern Sun has also been released on the label "MAVERICK" with all the remixes including Tiësto's. Is this Tiësto remix on MAVERICK also cut off like the one on PERFECTO or is it the full (good) version???

Anyone know??

Sucks. If anyone told me Oakey was behind this then I would believe him. By the way Ready Steady Go sucks.

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