Greetings gentlemen


I realize that this topic has been covered previously. Of course, finding the right guitar tone & texture can still be a challenge. I was wondering if anyone here has come across any guitar plugins that sound particularly 'real' - especially when it comes to the hammer-on and slide (portamento) techniques. Previous recommendations have been RealGuitar and AAS String Studio.

Some artists who have mastered these techniques are:

Signum - Riddles in the Sand - listen to 1.20-1.27 - found something on the Korg VSC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jAcOO40qJ0

Orjan Nilsen - La Guitarra listen to 3.40-...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omsl4JILlAs

I have looked in Sculpture but can't seem to find any preset that is close enough (Nylon Fingered Pluck is probably the closest).

It is almost 99% probable that the tools required are already there in sculpture for a nice and prominent hammeron/slide sound. My failure to achieve such effects is, IMO, based upon a lack of understanding about optimal methods of processing.

Any kind person is therefore more than welcome to reflect upon their guitar plugin experience (particularly with regard to slide & hammeron techniques) here. Alternatively, one might point those curious to learn and create in the right direction if this had already been comprehensively covered by Trance Addict.

Thank you

why don't you just put an ad on craigslist for a studio guitar player for $25.00. then you can be very authentic. are you saying this youtube clip that you know it was a plug or are you asking?

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 why don't you just put an ad on craigslist for a studio guitar player for $25.00. then you can be very authentic. are you saying this youtube clip that you know it was a plug or are you asking?

Agreed. Although I cannot be certain, I'd be willing to bet that both of these tracks are using either a real guitar, or sampled from a track with a real guitar. Guitar (and other plucked instruments) is one of those instruments that can be hard to simulate. It might be just as easy to sample one or find a guitar player as Anthony suggested. That Orjan Nilsen track definitely sounds like it was sampled from something Spanish if it wasn't played live.

i'll play the guitar for you for a fee.

anyways i have never, ever come across any plugin that sounds even remotely like a decent guitar. nothing sounds better than the real thing imo, and vsts can't emulate simple guitar techniques such as hammer-ons, pull-offs, slides, etc with any accuracy.

honestly, i have a hard time making a real guitar sound particularly excellent, because making a guitar sound really polished and professional takes investing money into decent hardware (ie amps, effects, cables, etc). software and hardware amp emulators don't do the trick (though line6's POD and NI's guitar rig come close).

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 why don't you just put an ad on craigslist for a studio guitar player for $25.00. then you can be very authentic. are you saying this youtube clip that you know it was a plug or are you asking?

25 $ ? I'm pretty sure every studio player will tell you to go fuck yourself.
Union fee per hour in most places is 100$ minimum.

Last edited by RichieV on Oct-10-2009 at 02:56

from that orjan track, i remember reading a thread on trance.nu where orjan himself said he was "playing that guitar melody" on the keyboard.


so he possibly could've used a plugin. not sure which though.


or just learn how to play the guitar

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VSL has a classical guitar librairie but sample sounded like some of the newer rompler keyboards. there is something off about the tone and the action is way too clean.

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Originally posted by RichieV 25 $ ? I'm pretty sure every studio player will tell you to go fuck yourself. Union fee per hour in most places is 100$ minimum.

i've found a few guys that will do it for lunch.

they were most likely university freshmen that boughta guitar a few months ago and not studio caliber musicians. Or you live in honduras.

I play guitar, but I'm having trouble getting an accurate guitar sound out of an VST. The best I came so far, was from RealGuitar - don't underestimate this little gem. I know what sound you want to achieve, but I think you can come pretty close with Realguitar, compression, eq, delay and lots of reverb.

Here's a quick example of something I did with RealGuitar.

http://www.box.net/shared/igo53h72m2

Keep in mind I've almost no velocity variation in this clip. If I'd spend a little time on this, I could get it extremely close to sounding like a real guitar.

Then there are sample libraries. The best I've ever heard for this particular sound is EWQL Gypsy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57hqPPKxsyY - rewind to 2:20 and be amazed. But this thing is so expensive....

But recording a guitar to sound like this is not easy. Firstly you'd need a spanish guitar, 2 mics - one at body, 2 at neck, a recording room, preamp, etc... and a very good acoustic guitar player that can play with his fingers. Unfortunately, I only have an electric guitar and no mics

Here's another track with a guitar (played by Geert) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq3eo4beB28 - rewind to 3:28 and sit back
I personally love the guitar tone in that track. But that's a real guitar with an experienced player so... something like this would be hard to do with VSTi's.

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Originally posted by RichieV they were most likely university freshmen that boughta guitar a few months ago and not studio caliber musicians. Or you live in honduras.

or you just have no idea what you're talking about

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 or you just have no idea what you're talking about

I know that a professional musician wouldn't work for 25$. Perhaps you lack the ability to distinguish what a professional musician sounds like so to you , you think they are studio musicians but really, they are half assed guitar lackeys that work at guitar center and know a few chords and can't read music. I'm glad you found someone but the argument here is in your use of language. Studio musician means you are at least getting the union flat rate. Obviously it is you that needs to do a little homework.

Surely as someone that tries to sell his music, you can appreciate other people's work and pay them what they are worth ? 25$ is what you pay a crappy guitar teacher to teach for 30 minutes.

Last edited by RichieV on Oct-11-2009 at 03:36