just out of curiosity...

how do you guys feel about duos(S8&tab, Aly &fila, sasha and digweed, gabriel & dresden etc) who get labeled to be at a show and only one of them is there?

wouldnt it be better to mention ahead of time and bill a gig as "tab from super 8 and tab" or "fila from Aly&fila" ?

avalon/giant is having sasha and digweed in march, but made it clear it will be individually on back to back weeks and not a show where they are playing together.

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Originally posted by bigperf just out of curiosity... how do you guys feel about duos(S8&tab, Aly &fila, sasha and digweed, gabriel & dresden etc) who get labeled to be at a show and only one of them is there? wouldnt it be better to mention ahead of time and bill a gig as "tab from super 8 and tab" or "fila from Aly&fila" ? avalon/giant is having sasha and digweed in march, but made it clear it will be individually on back to back weeks and not a show where they are playing together.

Most of them will put the original group in parenthesis after the name (such as "Dave Dresden (Gabriel & Dresden)" or "Sharam (Deep Dish)". This only works for big acts of course, especially when someone goes solo.

For much smaller acts that few people know about, it makes more sense to just say the group if only 5 people know the individual members.

Of course an exception is when there are three or more members, like Above & Beyond, as long as there are two of them then one can be Above and the other can be Beyond

You also can't forget the factor of personal issues that come up, so like if only one shows up of a duo, it could be one of them had some personal things to take care of at the last minute and couldn't make it.

i honestly don't see it as a problem as long as the solo dj plays up to par.

but yea, when they say aly and fila, above & beyond, super 8 & tab, you expect everybody to be there.

I agree, but it's like Rank1, only one travels but the other never does, still the same sound as if both were there. Kinda a tough call but I see what you mean!!!!
I heard about only half of S8&T on NYE. But how about Above & Beyond, you almost never see all of them at once!

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Originally posted by Rukes Most of them will put the original group in parenthesis after the name (such as "Dave Dresden (Gabriel & Dresden)" or "Sharam (Deep Dish)". This only works for big acts of course, especially when someone goes solo.

When you see DJs do this, it's either when a duo or group has split , or it's a full on part of their career where while they are doing their own thing solo for the time being and could be booked ont he same ngiht in two different places

Hence why Dave's material is marketed as that and same for Sharam.

I remember when Cosmic Gate would be booked and it'd be one or the other. Often Bossi in LA. But then, you still didn't see the other booked somewhere else. These days, when you see Cosmic Gate booked I always see them together. The only one of thw two I do see going around solo soemtimes is Nic Chiaall (mainly in Europe I believe), and when I see that he's just listed as Nic Chagall. I could be wrong on how they handle their bookings, just going off the top of my head.

When a group like A&B are promoted and two show up, you don't see the third person playing in some other city under A&B.

And I can't think of any other act that's in a similar situation

With Aly & Fila, I believe Aly has an ear issue so he can't play out at gigs.

With Rank 1, it's the duo for live acts I do believe. I believe only Piet "DJs" out of the two...

When it comes to an act like Sasha & Digweed, when they are booked solo you don't really see them mentioned together too much inthe flyers or anything. If you do, I think the local promoter puts that in and the agency just approves it feeling that it might be necessary for name recognition

i don't see how any of this matters. i focus on how well the dj and the promoter do at bringing good music to a good crowd, and if they both deliver the goods i couldn't care less about who wasn't there. quite honestly, it doesn't take 3 of them to deliver above & beyond's sound. 1 of them could do that very easily. it's nothing more than a costly gimmick to have the 3rd member tagging along. what's more discouraging to me is how fixated people can get on the person/people over the music and the party.

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i agree and disagree with r!ch.

sure, we should focus on the quality of music, vibe, crowd, set-up, and production.

But... for me it's a thing of principle... if you say S & D... bring S & D ... or don't be a promoter...

last time i checked... when i sit at a restaurant and order Steak & Eggs... i want Steak AND MY MO'FO' eggs... not just one of them...

again... it's principle...

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There is also something to be said about how a DJ duo, trio, etc. interact and play off each other during a set. When I saw Super8 & Tab (Janne and Miika) last time at Circus, they were the headliners and omg did the place go off! You could see them going through the tracks together, each one coaxing the other into more magical musical frontiers.

I know there are circumstances that prevent everyone from being together, so if the alternative is not to have them at all, then 1/3, 1/2 or whatever is still the way to go!

Oh, about the truth in advertising thing, I think that DJ of (Group) is the way to go, unless it's some last-minute thing that can't be helped. I had heard that all 3 members of Above & Beyond were going to be there for NYE, and was a little let down when I found out at the party that Tony didn't make it, but I got over it quickly!

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who said s&d and only brought 1 of them? i don't think that's ever happened. if it did, i'll bet that promoter is no longer working with either of them.

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Originally posted by in2muzikk There is also something to be said about how a DJ duo, trio, etc. interact and play off each other during a set. When I saw Super8 & Tab (Janne and Miika) last time at Circus, they were the headliners and omg did the place go off! You could see them going through the tracks together, each one coaxing the other into more magical musical frontiers.

this, for sure. of course, if they're still creating the same sound solo, then who am i to complain? i do enjoy the interaction, too...it can be really fun to watch people creating something together.

I was actually pretty damn disappointed because I wanted Miika (Super8) to sign my "Alba / (Dawn)" vinyl.

It's one of my top favorite songs of all time and I'm a fanboi who likes collecting autographs.

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Everytime I've seen a dj of a duo play alone the vibe hasn't been the same as when they play together. That doesn't always mean it's been worse, just different. It would be nice to know in advance who's gonna be playing but it doesn't affect my party plans in any way. Besides, I've seen this "false advertising" so much in LA that I'm used to it already but I know 99% of the time the reason for a dj no-show is legitimate (illness, visa issues etc.). I never expect both/all djs to show up but if they do it'll just be a pleasant "suprise."

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