well when it comes out its great but when its on mtv and shit and they maybe add a vocal thats when it becomes cheese.

ie ian van dahl

castles in the sky great tune but because there so commercial no one wants to listen to em!

Only the most jaded people dislike a song because it becomes popular. True cheese is cheese because it has blatant pop influences in an overt attempt to appeal to the commercial market (i.e. castles in the sky). A track is either cheese before anyone knows what it is, or it is never cheese.

Cheers,

Arbiter.

dont get me wrong, i love cheese........................on my nachos

lol i love the name of the tread. cheese is powerful IMO.

ok, the next question to this is...once a tune comes out and is considered 'cheese' does that mean they are labeled as such on any future releases just from that one tune?

LC

P.S. i used to like the ian van dahl example, but i agree...it got overplayed (need to get rid of all the remixes i have..lol)

Looks like some people are using the term "cheese" just to prove
that they listen to that KEWL UNDERGR0UND sheit that everyone
should envy, that makes me sick.

No matter what you listen to there is something harder and darker
but as long as ppl dont listen to that eurosheit with that blue
guy that sings "Im blue daba-di-daba-da" everything is okay.

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Originally posted by webbie Looks like some people are using the term "cheese" just to prove that they listen to that KEWL UNDERGR0UND sheit that everyone should envy, that makes me sick.

right on.
the whole cheese debate stems from elitists imo. True, there is commercial trance that has pop influences as aforementioned. However, I wish people would just listen to whatever the fuck makes them feel good, or what appeals to them, instead of worrying whether it's 'cheese' and not looking 'cool'.

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To me, cheese is the sound of the song. Commercialization accompanies it ALOT...but that's only because of the trendy sound it has, hence my point on the sound.
Blank and Jones 'The Nightfly' is a perfect example in my books. It doesn't get commercial MTV time, but it sounds fucking cheesy as hell, which is the reason why I don't like that song.
Most of ATB's stuff is cheese to me as well...it's so saccharine and boppy that it's hard to take seriously.

and what about all those covers coming out? like aquagen - hard to say i'm sorry, that safri duo cover and there are many more covers from pop tracks from the 80's that were covered by "trance" producers
i think those are pure cheese... and only made for the money. it is an easy way to make mone cause that dont have to write that song. the only have to give it the trance sounds.

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Originally posted by arjoderoon it is an easy way to make mone cause that dont have to write that song. the only have to give it the trance sounds.

by this definition, doesn't that make pretty much every remix ever cheese ? If someone remixes a tune, ie Rank 1 - Awakening (FC remix), he doesn't write the song, just gives it the classic FC sound...

cheese, yeah sure, anything by Dumonde. that stuff just cheeses my ears. And a guy mentioned Eyal Barkan. Wow, that is cheese...

And some guy claiming his music is trance under the Chevornum name... Yikes, you need to smoke a lot of reefer to think that's trance.

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