I really don't get the scientific extremists. They're exactly the same as the religious extremists.

''Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.''
Stephen Hawking.

sorry, but this makes no sense. If you want to prove you have siginificantly greater knowledge than your opponent ADMIT that it's UNKNOWN. We don't have to know everything ffs. We'll never Know how we got here, end of story.
Takes a far greater knowledge to admit ignorance than to claim to know everything, when everything is simply not knowable.

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Originally posted by EgosXII We'll never Know how we got here, end of story.

Wait a minute...

Extremum?!

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Originally posted by EgosXII I really don't get the scientific extremists. They're exactly the same as the religious extremists. ''Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.'' Stephen Hawking. sorry, but this makes no sense. If you want to prove you have siginificantly greater knowledge than your opponent ADMIT that it's UNKNOWN. We don't have to know everything ffs. We'll never Know how we got here, end of story. Takes a far greater knowledge to admit ignorance than to claim to know everything, when everything is simply not knowable.

I like picking on the wheel-chair bound as much as the next person, but I tend not to attempt to correct hawking on cosmology, and im not sure why you would classify this opinion as particularly extreme.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I like picking on the wheel-chair bound as much as the next person, but I tend not to attempt to correct hawking on cosmology, and im not sure why you would classify this opinion as particularly extreme.

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Originally posted by bas we're just rolling in that sweet sweet Beatport chedda SON. I PUT DIAMONDS IN MY SALT SHAKER SO I CAN HAVE CRUSHED DIAMONDS ON MY FOOD...it makes my dookie twinkle!!!

Though I agree with you, I'd take it down a notch. Instead of saying we won't ever know how/why we got here, I'd rather say we may never know. But, I'd rather leave some room for unexpected discoveries, unlikely as they might be.

Also, I think there's something you should make clear in your post, Egos. Science does deserve its special epistemological status compared to other sorts of inquiry and explanation. However, what I'd consider to be misguided is the sort of naïve scientificism espoused by some laymen and, dare I say, scientists. Knowledge grows and, for all we care, our most precious concepts may need to be completely reformulated in a hundred years or so in order to accommodate new discoveries.

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Stating that because gravity exists, and we exist, then the universe could have come to being on it's own is way too exxxtreme.

You're sounding a little bit extreme here, mate.