One of the biggest problems I find in any discussion involving morality, is that no one has any clear idea about what exactly morality is.

I also notice that all such discussions confuse morality with justice, leading to all sorts of strange contradictions.

morality -
mo·ral·i·ty   
[muh-ral-i-tee, maw-]
–noun, plural
1. conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct.

justice -
jus·tice   
[juhs-tis]
–noun
1.the moral principle determining just conduct.


with that being said, your question leads us into the realm of belief, which is a very dangerous thing.
most conflicts stem from differences in beliefs.

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Morality: Zyclon Jay realizes he has none of it and hangs himself

Justice: he is leveled by a bulldozer in one final act of dying for his art

Poetic justice: bulldozer was operated by a Jew...

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Originally posted by aNYthing Morality: Zyclon Jay realizes he has none of it and hangs himself Justice: he is leveled by a bulldozer in one final act of dying for his art Poetic justice: bulldozer was operated by a Jew...

Sad truth: unlikely that any of this will happen...

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Originally posted by chinamon chinamon is INCH MOAN. LOL so fitting.

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Originally posted by VDub Sad truth: unlikely that any of this will happen...

ja, everyone knows that Jews can't operate bulldozers- sheesh!

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I think it's clear that neither "morality-in-itself" nor "justice-in-itself" exists. Such concepts are created, not discovered. "Morality", in my view, is an expression of the perceived conditions of preservation and growth, contingently encountered in the world by an individual.

CHOLA

"There's no right, there's no wrong, there's only popular opinion." Jeffrey Goines, movie Twelve Monkeys

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Originally posted by clay moral: for the greater good. if something is bad for one, but good for two, then its morally acceptable. you can take it a bit further and use weight on it. if something is a little bad for one, but very good for someone else, then its morally acceptable.

So if we could enslave 30% of the population to make life vastly better for the remaining 70%, that would be morally acceptable to you?

That which can be measurably demonstrated to do no harm, even while having the capacity to benefit one or more parties.

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Originally posted by VAR ja, everyone knows that Jews can't operate bulldozers- sheesh!

That's why we hire blacks and hispanics to do it for us. but we still own the bitch. And that's affirmative action in action...

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morality & justice aren't real things. they don't actually exist. we just made them up, like everything else.