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Originally posted by Energy_3 I have gone to click on the mater channel in my mixer and create/select arange track which i now have in my arrangement window, but it wont let me add affects to it? it's not giving me any options which iv seen on you tube with someone having? any ideas greatly appreciated

You could route all the channels into a non-master channel which is routed into the master.

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aha i see, so there is no real benefit in doing what I wanted to do then is there? I can do what your suggesting which ulitimately has the same conclusion?

I seem someone add the fab filter volcano to there drums, but they did it in the master track to which they added in their arrangement window w/ automation etc for a really nice effect. I wanted to duplicate this.

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Originally posted by Energy_3 aha i see, so there is no real benefit in doing what I wanted to do then is there? I can do what your suggesting which ulitimately has the same conclusion? I seem someone add the fab filter volcano to there drums, but they did it in the master track to which they added in their arrangement window w/ automation etc for a really nice effect. I wanted to duplicate this.

Yeah, you have to route all channels to a "sub master" and then add the fx to that.

The only thing is, if it's just for drums, unless you have a perc only section of the track, the better way to do it is to route all your drums/perc to one track and add it there, that way it gives you more control to bring in other tracks or groups as desired - on the master it's all or nothing.

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Originally posted by skyhunter You could route all the channels into a non-master channel which is routed into the master.

That's what I do, I have a a master 'submix' that everything gets routed too.

Part of the reason I like to do this, is, if I've put everything on a bus, then its also really easy to make other 'submixes' with other outputs (like headphones).

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Originally posted by vt100 That's what I do, I have a a master 'submix' that everything gets routed too. Part of the reason I like to do this, is, if I've put everything on a bus, then its also really easy to make other 'submixes' with other outputs (like headphones).

Mhmmm. It's super duper helpful. I also do the same things with my drums and leads and stuff as mentioned. That way I can put all my instruments of one type into the same space (with reverb) or compress them the same way.

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Originally posted by skyhunter Mhmmm. It's super duper helpful. I also do the same things with my drums and leads and stuff as mentioned. That way I can put all my instruments of one type into the same space (with reverb) or compress them the same way.

Oh yea, i'm a bus-whore. I basically like to take each category of instruments and send it to a submix, and then send those submixes to the master submix, so like, a simple setup I might have might be like:

drums - drumbus
basses - bass bus (maybe this is just a bass and the sub or something or if I have a rolling bass and some dronie thing behind it)
synths - synth bus
etc - etc bus


Including what you mentioned, here's another thing I think is a neat opportunity this sort of setup gives you:

You can setup levels relative to other related things and then mix that in a stem fashion (ok that sentence almost doesn't make sense). Like, you can get all your drums sounding peachy, and then you can mix the drums as a kit (if you wanted to). Its sorta like creating a group, but with the added perk of throwing effects on the whole thing (psp vintage warmer for example).

And of course, if you want to create stems (for say mastering), you are good to go.

I've actually been getting a little squirrely lately (or maybe its lazy), but I like to have a handful of delay channels, so I've been busing those to a 'delay bus' and then doing things like putting sidechained compression on that (so I don't have to set it up on all three). I've been playing with the same idea on my reverbs actually.

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Originally posted by vt100 Oh yea, i'm a bus-whore. I basically like to take each category of instruments and send it to a submix, and then send those submixes to the master submix, so like, a simple setup I might have might be like: drums - drumbus basses - bass bus (maybe this is just a bass and the sub or something or if I have a rolling bass and some dronie thing behind it) synths - synth bus etc - etc bus Including what you mentioned, here's another thing I think is a neat opportunity this sort of setup gives you: You can setup levels relative to other related things and then mix that in a stem fashion (ok that sentence almost doesn't make sense). Like, you can get all your drums sounding peachy, and then you can mix the drums as a kit (if you wanted to). Its sorta like creating a group, but with the added perk of throwing effects on the whole thing (psp vintage warmer for example). And of course, if you want to create stems (for say mastering), you are good to go. I've actually been getting a little squirrely lately (or maybe its lazy), but I like to have a handful of delay channels, so I've been busing those to a 'delay bus' and then doing things like putting sidechained compression on that (so I don't have to set it up on all three). I've been playing with the same idea on my reverbs actually.

I just use a volume envelope on the tracks I want to sidechain because I'm too lazy to bother with a sidechain compressor :P But yea, another reason I use the little bus group things is due to the fact my mixer only has 8 faders, so I basically do a mini mixing session for each bus then mix the whole track together.

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gold just gold, really informative superrr. I shall endeavour to to do whats mentioned above!

I have worked on setting up a template in logic which, i have at hand now, but still need to make some minor adjustments. If anyone has any nice reconmendations on setting up a temp in logic that would be uber too!

But really appreciate the info from all

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Yeah, you have to route all channels to a "sub master" and then add the fx to that. The only thing is, if it's just for drums, unless you have a perc only section of the track, the better way to do it is to route all your drums/perc to one track and add it there, that way it gives you more control to bring in other tracks or groups as desired - on the master it's all or nothing.

to create a submaster is that simply right clicking on the master to create the new master track, though when i do that it doesnt allow me to add fx to it, or am i just creating a aux channel and naming it sub master?

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