So tell me why I should switch

No, don't bore me with the details of what PTHD does, I stare at it for a minimum of 9 hours a day at work. I know it better than I ever wanted to know it.

The problem is, I'm getting bored of having to remember 2 programs in complete fluency (Logic and PTHD) along with key commands and every menu option, and even though I love logic, it wouod be so much simpler for me if I was just using protools.

But....being at a studio, we always lag an entire version behind (8) so I want to hear from users whether functionality in 9 is now up there with the other major platforms (for EDM), especially midi as 8 still feel prehistoric compared to logic in that respect.

9 has not changed much since 8 in terms of MIDI, most of the improvements between 8 LE and 9 were implementation of post-production tools such as built-in timecode capability and OMF importing.

I don't really have a problem with PT's MIDI capabilities though, they do the trick if you know the PT workflow and tools.

Hope this helps!

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I'll refer you back to this thread:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...d=&pagenumber=1

I've been using PT9 more and more recently and I'm really liking it. You already know its audio capabilities far better than I do, I'm sure, and the MIDI side still surprises me with its very nicely implemented, yet straightforward, workflow. It doesn't have any of the extras, like step sequencers or built-in arpeggiators, etc., if that's important to you, but its MIDI editor is as good as any other I've used (I actually prefer its smart tool to others that I've used). That said, there are a few things about it that I don't like (many repeated from the earlier thread):

- still no 64-bit support (I'm sure it's coming soon - maybe announced at AES?)
- A few of my favorite plugins (e.g., Audio Damage) are not available in RTAS and don't work with the FXpansion wrapper
- Workarounds, like the FXpansion wrapper and Vienna Ensemble Pro (subhost for using 64-bit plugins and VSTs), are expensive and sorta clunky to work with; Reaper works like VEP, and is cheap, though.
- no freeze function

The other uncertainty is how long it will take third-party developers to update their plugins to 64-bit RTAS once PT goes 64-bit. It would be nice (although not a chance in hell) if PT would add native VST support.

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reaper costs more than VSL ensemble pro.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney reaper costs more than VSL ensemble pro.

I thought it was something like $40 for non-commercial users?

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Thanks guys - this is the sort of info I'm looking for.

Audio, I have down but I can count on one hand the number of times we've used midi in the last few years, and that's really the source of hesitation.

There's the plugin availability issue for one, but probably more importantly, the midi functionality and workflow. Specifically, how does it compare to the major DAWs?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN There's the plugin availability issue for one,...

And that's not really too bad IMO - the majority of my most-used plugins are available in VST and RTAS and most of the remainders work well enough with the VST>RTAS wrapper. There are only a handful of VSTs that don't work with the wrapper. Before you decide to go with PT9, I'd suggest going through every one of your plugins to see which ones are available in RTAS format. The FXpansion wrapper is another $99 IIRC, so factor that in if you have a lot of VSTs that aren't available in RTAS format.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN ...but probably more importantly, the midi functionality and workflow. Specifically, how does it compare to the major DAWs?

I'm not familiar with Logic, but as I mentioned, I think PT's MIDI editor and tools compare about equally with Sonar, Studio One Pro, and Cubase, aside from some of the specialty tools, like step sequencers and arpeggiators. I think PT has one of the best implemented shortcut layouts of all the DAWs that I've used and, if you're already familiar with them, that's a huge time saver.

Finally, if you use many MIDI-based plugins (e.g., Catanya, Thesys), these don't seem to work with PT, even with the wrapper or VEP, so think about that when considering PT9.

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Pro Tools 10 is out.

http://www.avid.com/US/products/Pro-Tools-Software

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you should make a new thread

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Originally posted by orTofønChiLd you should make a new thread

Naw, the only people who will likely care are the handful of people who posted in this one. But, knock yourself out if you think it's worth it.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Naw, the only people who will likely care are the handful of people who posted in this one. But, knock yourself out if you think it's worth it.

you think there will be a demo out? cuz i love to try it

Workflow-wise, Pro Tools 8-10 is a lot more similar to a DAW like Logic rather than Cubase/Nuendo. You can't get super crazy with MIDI like you can with other DAWs, but it has all of the essentials and you should be able to do just about anything MIDI-wise, even if it might take an extra step or two.

If your studio is already running Pro Tools 8, then you can use that to base your purchasing decision of Pro Tools 9/10. MIDI has remained the same throughout all of those versions.