cool. something makes me think i'm one of the only one here who uses it.

12 $ ?

honestly that is quite ridiculous. Touchosc will do what that does better and the platform works. Controllers for vsts should be free or at most a buck

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Originally posted by Evolve140 cool. something makes me think i'm one of the only one here who uses it.

I have an iPad, but not J8V. And, yeah, $12 for a controller app is a bit steep when you consider what other apps in that price range give you. Alchemy Mobile Pro is a dedicated controller app for Alchemy AND a pretty slick iOS synth/sample library and it only costs a few bucks more.

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Originally posted by cryophonik I have an iPad, but not J8V. And, yeah, $12 for a controller app is a bit steep when you consider what other apps in that price range give you. Alchemy Mobile Pro is a dedicated controller app for Alchemy AND a pretty slick iOS synth/sample library and it only costs a few bucks more.

If you like the 80s synth sounds, I'd recommend giving the 8V demo a go. It's a hungry beast though, so bring plenty of CPU to the party It meshes extremely well with Z3ta2 as well. Z covers all the whizbang supersaw/LFO joy that the J8V cant, and while it's not a 'real' J8, it sounds really good for what it is. Much like the Jupiter 80, the 8V causes no end of hate for the purists. Also, Arturia will be releasing a 64 bit version within the next couple of months as they are with all their emus.

I'm not yet an ipad/phone guy and not up on the going pricing of their apps, but to me, 12 bucks seems cheap for a specific midi controller compared to what it would cost for a hardware version. - Actually I can't find one that doesn't involve a lot of menu/scene swapping.

RE: The 'Free' thing, ...well, sure if someone wants to do it I'll gladly avail myself of their labors, but if it works well, I have no problem paying for one.

Since it isn't Massive" or "Sylenth1" or other mass-seller, I don't expect there to be a big call for an app/hardware controller like that so I pretty much am willing to/expect to pay more regardless. NOT that I enjoy paying more mind you. Being a PC guy, I'm now seriously considering an Ipad where I wasn't before simply because this thing exists and I imagine it will open up a lot more controller options for other programs I own.

the controls are so simple. Why one would even need a controller is beyond me. I mean take 20 seconds and do some midi learns.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney the controls are so simple. Why one would even need a controller is beyond me. I mean take 20 seconds and do some midi learns.

I have actually. I use my Emu Xboard for that now. And it works fine. But it only has 16 knobs. I'd like more/sliders also, again without scene switching/menu diving type access to more. So I can spend a few hundred on either a good generic hardware MIDI controller and do the learns fine(which would work) or go touch screen and set it up/get an app accordingly (and have the benefit of using it for other prgs too.

Why at all? For me, just being hands on rather than using a mouse. That's all really.

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Originally posted by Normie If you like the 80s synth sounds, I'd recommend giving the 8V demo a go.

I've tried it a few times and, yes, it is a nice synth. But, personally, I get turned off by soft synths that try too hard to be something that they're not, particularly when they try to look, sound, and act like a specific analogue synth. They typically disappoint because they naturally fall short of the real thing. I'm not saying that because I'm an analogue purist, I'm saying it because you're paying for something that can't be delivered, rather than paying for the developer to really think about ways to explore something new. I really think that some of the best new directions in synthesis are coming from the developers who are saying, screw chasing the perfect analogue emulation, we're going to take advantage of all those 1s and 0s and make synths that go places others don't. That's why I really like products coming from Camel Audio, Spectrasonics, Tone2, etc.

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Originally posted by Normie I'm not yet an ipad/phone guy and not up on the going pricing of their apps, but to me, 12 bucks seems cheap for a specific midi controller compared to what it would cost for a hardware version

Yeah, $12 bucks is the cost of one nice lunch or one cheap dinner, so that is a valid point. But, it's sorta the nature of the iPad owner to expect anything but a powerhouse app to range from free to $1.99. Then, you look at something like the Omni TR app that Spectrasonics made for free for Omnisphere owners and you find yourself getting spoiled pretty quickly.

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Originally posted by Normie Being a PC guy, I'm now seriously considering an Ipad where I wasn't before simply because this thing exists and I imagine it will open up a lot more controller options for other programs I own.

I'm a PC guy, too, but I'd kick Bill Gates square in the nuts if he ever tried to touch my iPad. It really has improved my workflow in many ways and replaced some gear in my studio, including my beloved AlphaTrack that sat by my side for many, many years. I don't miss it one bit. The most surprising part to me is how well the iPad works with my PC - that was one of my biggest fears going into it.

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Originally posted by Evolve140 cool. something makes me think i'm one of the only one here who uses it.

I know CalVp has the V collection and I've seen a couple people mention it/tag lines from time to time. We're here, few that we may be. I'm actually surprised that more people haven't tried it. Awesome Bass vst.

Hi Cryo,

Don't get me wrong as I generally (pretty much completely actually) pretty much agree. Even when I bought it, I knew it wasn't 'real' nor would it ever sound 'true analog' regardless of the marketing hype. I just wanted something that put me in that general 'J8' sound territory' and use it for what it is.

I think that's the whole thing with it and other emus. They get you close, but people expect the marketing hype to be true. Taken for what it is soundwise, it can do the job and in a mix, and only a gearhead would care anyway.

Z3ta 1/2 can pretty much cover the same sonic territory with enough tweaking at the expense of more complexity and I love it to death...again, for what 'it' is. I have no doubt there's 'placebo' effect going on but I just 'like' using the Jupe more overall when I just want to sit and play music/practice. And it does sound good to me even if it's not a perfect copy.

Gladiator: I've seen you mention it a few times and from that I went and checked out the site. It definitely looks interesting. It sounds cool as hell too. The only thing really stopping me from getting it is that I don't want to fall into the trap of going Pokemon (gotta get'em all!) with synths, and ending up with a bunch of preset boxes I don't really 'know' how to use. But to your point, No, I don't really see the benefit in basically requiring a Cray to get that last couple percent of "analog magic' modeled perfectly. It does make far more sense to look ahead rather than back whether looking at it cost/benefit or simply advancing the tech overall. If someone really wants/needs a perfectly 'real' J8 or any other, THAT BAD, just get/rent one if you can find it and have the exact thing they want rather than trying to fake it. And of course, they all sounded a bit different to begin with.

Gates' huevos: I started on an Amiga 1200 and miss it dearly. Been a PC guy since the bosses at Commodore got greedy and bankrupted the joint. I never really cared for Mac stuff mostly over cost/program variety and their "my way or the highway" approach to the aftermarket...but then Mac people will never know the sheer joy we Win users have with comparability issues either

If you say Ipad/PC integration isn't a total nightmare, I'm shocked, but that's one more reason to go to the dark side...and move your foot to make room for mine

Not that I have looked, but I just don't hear nearly the stories of Droid apps I do for Ipads, quantity or quality, so perhaps their past issues are no longer as big a problem for me.

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Originally posted by Normie Taken for what it is soundwise, it can do the job and in a mix, and only a gearhead would care anyway.

Bingo.

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personally the GUI does no justice to the 8v platform. Also I'd rather use knobs and sliders that I can feel