Didn't want to shit on Raphie's thread so i will put my thoughts here.

COmpilation albums used to be a source of revenue, not anymore. They are more antiquated than the tape cassette. I read how Raphie is spending 3000 to put a compilation out of relatively unknown artists. That is fine. Except when you bitch that there is no money, then you spend 3000 to get distribution of a product nobody will buy.

And how do i know this. Well consider the compilation costs 26$, a compilation of unknown artists sold on a portal for people that don't buy compilations and combine that with the fact that I can legally download a podcast from a known dj with known artists , the latest tracks yet to be released for drum roll 0$.

Now if i can get the latest some would say best music in a compilation for 0 $, who is going to buy a compilation for 30$ on a dj portal site.

I mean it is just silliness. And this is why it irks me when people whine about not making money.

The product Raphie is selling and the market he is selling to is utter insanity. Great, sold in 127 stores. Except i can get something better, legal , for free. So why would anyone in their sober mind actually spend 30$, an insane price in digital downloads for a compilation of nobodies, mixes for nobodies sold to nobody djs. IT doesn't make any sense.

Unfortunately, we only have 2 sets of grandparents, maybe some extended family will throw you a bone. That is about 20 sales if your family loves you.

Just another example of people doing stupid things that clearly show the issue is with people having no business sense. Not that i would care. I mean the fact that people are kinda dumb is my advantage. I guess the utter stupidity and then the whining that goes along with it is just too funny to not ignore. My advice to Raphie is just make a podcoast. It will probably cost you less money because it is impossible to recoup those costs you mentioned. Nobody will buy a 26$ compilation.

So , the take home message. compilation cds are not a viable source of income. Unless you are 1 of the 10 compilations that actually get played on commercial cable stations and what not.

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I was of the understanding that it'll cost him £30 to do, not £3000. If it's £3000 (which it can't be obviously) then he needs to clearly re-think. I also don't think it'll sell for anything more than about $4.99 surely?

I don't think anybody's under any illusions that it'll sell any either, maybe 100 copies if every contributor spams the crap out of it.

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i saw 3 zeros.

if it is 30 $, why even mention it. I mean talk about ghetto. Hey guys, don't worry, i will cover the 30$. Aww, so sweet.



I mean talk about an amount of money that is so insignificant that to even mention something so little is a reflection on how fucking small you are thinking. 30 bucks ? fuck me.

As far as the illusion, i think lots of people in that thread are. THey whine about not making money. until people stop doing stupid shit like - compilation cds - , you don't have a right to whine.

And no, his last compilation of nobodies sold for 30$. Nobody is going to buy that. Except for family.

And 100 copies is a gross exaggeration. I would be surprised if it sold more than 30. Talk about a waste of time. So if money is not being made, why even sell it. Give it away. More exposure , no costs and pretty much a better outlook than selling it.

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Last edited by Looney4Clooney on Feb-29-2012 at 16:39

Wrong pills man.

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Originally posted by Raphie The costs to get such a project on all major stores would be around 30,00 euro in total, for the project. which I'm happy to take.

But yeah, good point.

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I don't think he's trying to make money...

which is fine but then he whines about there being no money in other threads. So when i see on the one hand someone wining and stating there is no money and then doing shit like this more than once, no fucking duh. There is no money in selling stuff that nobody will buy. That isn't exclusive to EDM.

can someone school me in european nomenclature. does 30,00 = 30 ? If so, well fuck me side ways. IF that is an expensive you even need to mention, you are gonna have problems.

And more common sense bullshit regarding the artists taking part who might of complained about money. If you aren't making money, you are losing money. Why involve yourself with a dud. You are wasting time, you are wasting possible future opportunities in that nobody will ever sign a track that is on a compilation already released, negative brand image although considering the compilation will be seen let alone purchased by under 30 people, i suppose that isn't such an issue. The point is you have nothing to gain.

Now if you had Cindy Lauper on repeat and want to have fun, cool but for any of you that bitched in that thread about not making money, you don't have a right when you do stupid shit. From a business perspective, taking part in something that is a dud even before lift of is what any PR person would say " stupid shit" . I can't tell you how to make money but i can at least point out obvious things that will definitely not help your end game in any conceivable way.

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Last edited by Looney4Clooney on Feb-29-2012 at 16:38

I want to be very wealthy, successful and am practical about how to go about it.

But this compilation isn't about making money for me.

-It is going to be fun
-I am getting a track mastered for free
-I am making connections with people on this site, some of whom are actually really talented and probably going to be someone in 5 years
-I like Raphie
-I like Dutch people and Raphie is Dutch
-The quality of Raphies last compilation was great
-It is good to have your name search-able on Beatport (don't have any releases on there right now)
-Had a track waiting in the wings anyway

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you don't need to explain yourself. But you waive the right to bitch about money.

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Well, there's mixcloud, there are podcasts - i mean, even good friend, who has good musical taste and knows my musical taste, if sends me some links, quite often I don't listen to it.

I can't imagine buying compilation. It's so ... 90s

On the other hand, if it's fun for you then I don't see a reason to NOT release such compliation

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney which is fine but then he whines about there being no money in other threads. So when i see on the one hand someone wining and stating there is no money and then doing shit like this more than once, no fucking duh. There is no money in selling stuff that nobody will buy. That isn't exclusive to EDM. can someone school me in european nomenclature. does 30,00 = 30 ? If so, well fuck me side ways. IF that is an expensive you even need to mention, you are gonna have problems. And more common sense bullshit regarding the artists taking part who might of complained about money. If you aren't making money, you are losing money. Why involve yourself with a dud. You are wasting time, you are wasting possible future opportunities in that nobody will ever sign a track that is on a compilation already released, negative brand image although considering the compilation will be seen let alone purchased by under 30 people, i suppose that isn't such an issue. The point is you have nothing to gain. Now if you had Cindy Lauper on repeat and want to have fun, cool but for any of you that bitched in that thread about not making money, you don't have a right when you do stupid shit. From a business perspective, taking part in something that is a dud even before lift of is what any PR person would say " stupid shit" . I can't tell you how to make money but i can at least point out obvious things that will definitely not help your end game in any conceivable way.

Human beings are hypocrites.

It's all good man...it's all good.

So what's the point of this topic? I'm stupid to start a project and spend 30/40 euro on some forum buds?

Still believe there is no serious money in releasing for 99.9% of us.
but why can't we have some fun rather than kill time in topics like these?

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Originally posted by Raphie So what's the point of this topic? I'm stupid to start a project and spend 30/40 euro on some forum buds? Still believe there is no serious money in releasing for 99.9% of us. but why can't we have some fun rather than kill time in topics like these?

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