Hi everyone,

I recently started working with FL studio and I am currently i learning how to produce trance. I want to produce both trance with and without lyrics. There are a lot of tutorials on the internet on the second type, but not on the first one. So I know a girl and she is a beautiful singer, so I would like to produce some trance tracks in the future with her vocals on it. But how exactly do you make a decent vocal trance track? Is it easy to write lyrics for it? Because I have never written a song but she did. So should I ask her to create some lyrics or should I do it? Does it matter what type of lyrics it are? Because she usually writes singer/songwriter like (which is a different discipline right?)
And where do I start? Should I create a tune and fit her vocals into it? Or should I first record the lyrics and create the song afterwards? I think I want to create both tracks with only a few sentences and with a complete song. Examples of tracks which sound like what I have in mind are for example all the vocal (duh ) tracks on the albums tri state and sirens of the sea. Super8&Tab - Slow to Learn and AvB - Alone and are also some beautiful examples
I'm looking forward to your advice and thanks in advance

It takes time to learn to do the instrumental... isn't like you just started and pof you can produce trance..isn't that easy, and about the which should be frist the instrumental or lyrcs, that depends... you can have an instrumental and give to the songwritter/singer and maybe they can have some inspiration and write some lyrcs which works on that track,or you can make it after lyrcs of course...1-2years to understand the things and to learn the tricks on your own...most of tutorials show you basic things and most of them let's face it sucks...If she sing in english i will be glad to try to make a song with her

Thanks for your reply. I didn't say it would be easy to produce trance Just because I am not experienced doesn't mean I should wait experimenting with vocals, it's not like I'm going to send it to a record label or something
I don't think you two should work together, it's not like she is a professional singer who cooperates with everyone, it's just a friend of mine who loves singing

More tips are always welcome

Last edited by tranceproducer on Aug-27-2013 at 18:11

Please, anyone, it would help me a lot!

There's no right or wrong way, so the question has really already been answered for you. I work with many vocalists/lyricists and it varies, depending on how good the singer is at coming up with melodies. Typically, I come up with a song idea and add a melody (played by a piano) and the singer writes lyrics to it. Sometimes they change parts of the melody, but typically they stick with most of it. But, a few of the singers are very good at coming up with their own melodies, so sometimes I'll send them a structured song without a melody and let them come up with the melody and the vocals. A few of the singers write their own songs entirely, so I handle the recording of vocals, and most of the production work (including recording the instruments), but their songs usually aren't trance/EDM. Also, if you have a good ear and a working knowledge of scales and chord progressions, you could let the singer start with a melody/lyrics, and build a song around that, but I'm assuming that you don't based on your stated experience, so that might be a more difficult approach to take for now.

As far as whether or not writing lyrics is easy, well, that also depends. I find lyrics impossible to write, but most good songwriters can come up with good lyrics quite easily. It's not something that lends itself to 20-minute tutorials, though. Writing lyrics comes from experience, being a student of the craft, etc. My advice is to either try it for yourself and see if you find it easy or hard, or more likely, just let the singer write them. But, give her some solid examples of what you're looking for (i.e., mp3s and lyrics of songs you want to emulate) and make sure you let her know what you're NOT looking for. For example, many singer/songwriter types have a tendency to write nothing but breakup songs and that's probably not what you're looking for in an uplifting style like trance.

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Thanks for your detailed reply, I think I will just create a track and let her write the lyrics

Here's an article about how top song writers work;

"White, himself the winner of two Ivor Novello awards, is prevailed upon to meet an artist, form a bond, and come up with something chart-topping in the space of a day"

http://www.theguardian.com/music/20...rs-ivor-novello

The best way to write lyrics is when you find yourself in a situation that brings out an emotional avalanche.

This heightened emotional state can result from a real life event happening to you or something as innocuous as watching a really good film or nature documentary.

In my experience those moments are quite rare, so if you get one, pounce on it and write a song right there. If you're in the right mental zone it will all come together. If your bitch dumps you that's a great fishing spot for a song.

THERE N THEN RECORD YOURSELF HUMMING ON YOUR IPAD to capture the magic - don't even delay to switch on your DAW unless it's right there to hand.

Last edited by Richard Butler on Sep-05-2013 at 15:43