Ive never done drugs or Ecstasy. I saw how one girl in my class before was depressed a lot from taking E.

The discovery is not new anyways but it outlines very nicely and clearly the experiment and results.

Drugs also makes you do do.

Getting drunk each weekend is far worse than taking E when you go out.

Why?

-Alcohol is addictive
-Alcohol makes aggressive
-Alcohol does damage to your internal organs
-Drunk drivers kill many people each year

etc etc

The braindamage you get in the long term can't be any worse than the dead cells caused by alcohol

Anything consumed in mass quanity is bad for you. Sure, if you go out every weekend and eat 5 pills a night. Your going to hurt your self. as long as your responsable about it, and smart about it, you'll be fine.

Its just like Nutrasweet causing cancer in rats. Those rats were fed their body weight in Nutrasweet. Of course it fugged them up. Thats just common sense.

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Originally posted by jploveparade Getting drunk each weekend is far worse than taking E when you go out. Why? -Alcohol is addictive -Alcohol makes aggressive -Alcohol does damage to your internal organs -Drunk drivers kill many people each year etc etc The braindamage you get in the long term can't be any worse than the dead cells caused by alcohol

I'm totally agree with you. I asked so many people:"Do you know how it works in your body, do you know why do you feel good?" Most people told me that they are taking just because it's good.. My point is, no matter what kind of psychodelic substance people are taking, the level of knowlage and responsibility should be there. Otherwise all sorts of demages might be done during a very short period of time...

P.S. and you don't have to graduate from "E college" in order to know that, there's so many places on the internet with articles and research papers, just read it up.. ;o)

Good luck.

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Originally posted by Ekstasis Anything consumed in mass quanity is bad for you. Sure, if you go out every weekend and eat 5 pills a night. Your going to hurt your self. as long as your responsable about it, and smart about it, you'll be fine. Its just like Nutrasweet causing cancer in rats. Those rats were fed their body weight in Nutrasweet. Of course it fugged them up. Thats just common sense.

Yes, you are very correct. It seems that, in the interest of proving their hypotheses right, many researchers are using the following method in order to conduct experiments about whether or not a material may be hazardous to one's health:

1. Determine how much water you can give a certain animal before it will die.

2. Multiply the result by pi.

3. Administer that dosage of substance X to that animal.

Their conclusion, when the animal dies, is that substance X is hazardous. This, however, is a fallacious conclusion. The correct conclusion would have been that tremendous quantities of substance X are hazardous to the particular animal used in the experiment. Any other conclusion is incompliant with the fundamentals of science.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Yes, you are very correct. It seems that, in the interest of proving their hypotheses right, many researchers are using the following method in order to conduct experiments about whether or not a material may be hazardous to one's health: 1. Determine how much water you can give a certain animal before it will die. 2. Multiply the result by pi. 3. Administer that dosage of substance X to that animal. Their conclusion, when the animal dies, is that substance X is hazardous. This, however, is a fallacious conclusion. The correct conclusion would have been that tremendous quantities of substance X are hazardous to the particular animal used in the experiment. Any other conclusion is incompliant with the fundamentals of science.

I think I got it wrong: doesn't this experiment say that water is hazardous then? If you determine how much water you can give to a certain animal before it will die and multiply the result by pi, you have enough water to kill it "pi" times

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there was a topic about E "the cubbers pill" (BBC news called it that). The reporter talked about how the pills damaged monkeys and how this is the same for ppl. they were also talking to a guy who claims to take 5 pills of E a night.

If they want to find out the damages it does, TEST IT ON A HUMAN. im sure there are loads of users of the drug who would be happy to let the scientists check how there body reacts to the substance.

yeh i remember last time when some american reserachers made a publication on ecstacy, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA...



haha....

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Originally posted by Ekstasis Anything consumed in mass quanity is bad for you. Sure, if you go out every weekend and eat 5 pills a night. Your going to hurt your self. as long as your responsable about it, and smart about it, you'll be fine. Its just like Nutrasweet causing cancer in rats. Those rats were fed their body weight in Nutrasweet. Of course it fugged them up. Thats just common sense.

This Guy Knows the Score! thankyou!

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First... re the guy whose takes 5 pills a night.... WTF!

Now seriously... The practice of upping dosages in clinical studies is to shorten the time scale. Instead of doing a long term study on E, which should take at least 10 years, the researchers just upp the dosage and say its the same as a long period of time... but this is not so. Anything, anything in large dosages will kill you. You can die of water OD, in fact CNN has been following a story of a girl who dies of just that recently.

Also it should be noted that none of those animals lived beyond the experiment. To examine brain cells, you have to kill the subject and remove the brain. So, this is an extremely short term study on the effects of high dosages of E, on an animal who has a different reaction to E than do humans. 1 in 5 died... to the best of my knowledge no human has died from just E, it has been from OD on E+ other substances, or from heat stroke (which kills completely healthy, non-drug using people standing on street corners ).

There is a risk in everything. I'm willing to assume that risk... for science of course. From a purely altruistis motivation, I must... it's really for all of you out there. I just hope you all appreciate what were out there doing for you people.

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Originally posted by jploveparade Getting drunk each weekend is far worse than taking E when you go out. Why? -Alcohol is addictive -Alcohol makes aggressive -Alcohol does damage to your internal organs -Drunk drivers kill many people each year etc etc The braindamage you get in the long term can't be any worse than the dead cells caused by alcohol

I dont totally agree, but partially,
Heres what i thought of.

Getting drunk, you get a hangover the next day
Taking E, you become deppressed for two weeks

Alcohol is addictive because people use it as a way to escape
Undoubtedly, this is the same for E

EXCESS Alcohol damages your organs
Any E damages your brain and supresses negative feedback of dopamine