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Lira
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Registered: Nov 2001
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The best question a student has ever asked me (Cyborgs and zombies inside)

Me: "All right lads, class is over. Anything else you want to ask before you go home?"
Student #1: "Me, me, me! What happens if a zombie bites a cyborg?"
Me: "It's quite... wait, what?!"
Student #1: "What would prevail? Their cyborg side or their zombie side?"
Me: "You mean like... a zomborg!?"
Student #2: "How does that even work? Cyborgs aren't alive, they can't undie!"
Student #3: "They require living verbs in Japanese though, don't they?"
Me: "They do, yeah, but it's Japan!"
Student #1: "But what would a zomborg be like?!"

I said I would do some research and give him his answer next week. So, CORe, what say you? What would make a zomborg possible, and what would it most likely be like?


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Old Post Oct-13-2013 17:50  Brazil
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Redd
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I don't know if it's an answer to -your- question, but to the student: the zombie bite wouldn't infect a cyborg

the only thing that would make a "zomborg" would be malware or a computer virus making it act like one

I guess the comic/movie "Virus" is something along those lines


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Lira
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I don't know if it's an answer to -your- question, but to the student: the zombie bite wouldn't infect a cyborg

Yeah, that's the problem I see with his idea... how would physical damage inflicted to a cyborg cause it to become a zombie? So I agree with you that only malware could do the job, but I don't see how a zombie could install any piece of software in a cyborg
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Originally posted by Redd I guess the comic/movie "Virus" is something along those lines

Really? Will check it out, thanks!


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Psyshell
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In most cases the zombie virus wouldn't be able to takeover the cyborg depending on how cyborgish it is. For example it seems as though zombies do require some sortof brain function and if basic brain functions were either digital or digitally enhanced then the zomborg would not be able to move.


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Redd
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so if Robocops brain was somehow infected, it would work. The zombie would have to bite through his helmet. Or I guess bite his lip or something - if the flesh in his face is connected with bloodstream to his brain


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Trance-M
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I agree with Spyshell, a Cyborg can have a human brain, so it depends which parts of the Cyborg still are human.
But what would happen if a Borg (Star Trek) would have been bitten by a zombie? The brain is controlled by machine, but can a zombie still mess with it?


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Let's assume that the cyborg in question has a brain which is symbiotic with a separate computer, controlling the machinery plugged into her body. Since the computer rely on data from the brain synapses in order to function, infected synapses would probably cause the system to crash, perhaps leaving the host dead.

Though I could be wrong about this; nothing can be proven until we actually acquire some experimental data. That would require us to in the first place have:


  • Neurosymbiotic cyborgs. Linking brains to computers is a technology we've been developing for quite some time, though mostly to halt the effects of various diseases and physical handicaps, rather than to enhance physiological abilities.
  • "Zombie" viruses. I myself find the idea of our brains being infected in a way, so that we turn into carnivorous beasts, quite ridiculous. In worst case, such infections would probably give us chronic seizures, but not something as specific as making us mindless brain hunters.


So, yeah. Not to be a partypooper, but it's very likely it wouldn't end with a bang, but a whimper.


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Tyler James
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What kind of cyborg are we talking about? A Terminator type cyborg or a pure half-human half-robot being?

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Use it as computer science learning moment if it's not blocked

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_(computer_science)

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Tangil
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You're teaching your kids the right stuff Lira. Nice work!

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Lira
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Thanks, Tangil

I really don't know what kind of cyborg he was talking about, Tyler: I first assumed it was a purely robotic one, but this wouldn't make any sense... so I guess you guys are right - the cyborg must be running on some sort of wetware for this to work as Psyshell and Redd pointed out.

And, indeed, PointPi, it would be great if we could run an experiment in a controllable environment to get this answer - but then there's an ethical problem: If this cyborg is part human, would it have the same right as a proper human being, or would it be just like a robot? In the former case, I find it unlikely that we'd be able to experiment freely with it, so we'd have to wait for a zombie outbreak to happen naturally so we can see how it affects the cyborg and what the effects are

And, Trance-MB, no idea.

(Haha, and IGK, the internet doesn't always work in the classroom )


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but then there's an ethical problem: If this cyborg is part human, would it have the same right as a proper human being, or would it be just like a robot?

If the cyborg is part human, then it then it should have the same rights as everyone else. It shouldn't have half the rights the "proper" human beings have.

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