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Aldrian
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Registered: Jul 2002
Location: Rio Rancho
Oh no!! Something i just noticed on my cd maker!

I just went to options for the very first time and i just found out that I have been burning at 8x speed. that is too fast! I thought I was burning at 1x speed to get the best quality possible. so all this time ever since 2 years ago i have been burning bad quality cds then. hope this is not true since i ddin't get much cd errors and my discs sounds exact quality from the original copy to me. to my naked ears of course. I heard that the faster you burn, the more quality you sacrifice for the time then. darn is this true????

i just set the burn speed at 1x from now. but it was maybe at 8x

Old Post Oct-10-2002 19:25  United States
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HyPeRSoNiC
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Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Yavne, Israel

I have a friend who has that new LG burner..... 40 read, 24 burn, 10 RW.......
he burns CDs at x24...... and there's no damage to the CD quality.....
I think it has this new system that ajusts the heat of the laser to match best for the quality of the empty CD........ and it has an anti-faliur system...... meaning - no CD errors!!!!!!!

what I'm trying to say is, it doesn't matter....... I burn at 4 (my burner's max speed) and it's fine........

I'm thinking about getting me oe of thease LG burners though..... imagine....... a full CD in less than 4 minutes....... *drool*


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Pjotr G
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Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Netherlands

If a CD is burnt it is burnt. Period. It doesn't matter how fast it has been burnt. Some CD-r's are of better quality than others, that isn't to say they sound better, that means burning will go wrong less and the CD will live longer (to my knowledge?)

BTW burning slowly does not improve the chances of getting a good burnt CD, if you have a 24x burnable CD, burn it at 24 speed! (something to do with the layer the laser burns in, if you burn it too slow it is prone to fail as you burn the hell out of that layer)


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Alccode
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: toronto

The speed at which the CD burns is irrelevant. It doesn't matter how "hot" the CD gets, or anything like that. The information is stored digitally. It's not like a record - it won't "wear down" or anything.

Like Pjotr G said, if you have a 24X burnable CD, burn it at 24X!!

I'd recommend you don't have any processes running in the background, though, or you'll risk a buffer underrun - what you should really be worrying about. This will cause pops and crackles, etc. Not the speed at which it burns. So close everything except your burning software, and ESPECIALLY Winamp or other memory-hogs.

Of course, with newer computers and newer burners (the LiteOn, for example), with greater buffers (and more RAM on the comp), you have less of a chance of running into problems. But it's best to be cautious - if you have a fast burner then it shouldn't be an issue - it'll finish burning in 5 minutes anyway, and you can get back to whatever you were doing then.

Personally, I view it like this: the faster it's done, the less chance something will get fucked up.

YMMV.

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Data on normal CD's is stored digitally in pits and lands... the pits are the "holes". Digital info for the laser is either reflection or no reflection. Depending on the material of the this effect is achieved in different ways mostly at the edges between pit and land, where the laser beam is reflected/refracted off-axis.

Burning is NOT accurate, NEVER. Not even pressing is. The only way around is that digital data is stored in a redundant way. Even if some bits are lost an error correction algorithm can restore the original data. AFAIK the Data loss can be up to 60% of the datasteam from the Disc. The better the algorithm works, the more data can be recovered.

Depending on material and burning speed the error rate of the burnt CD varies. Let's say the burning process itself causes 20% of data loss on the original data stream. Most players at home can easily deal with it. But in a club, with a little vibration an some dust on the lenses... error rates go straight trough the roof.
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discError

Where I spin from time to time I mostly got this message with CD's burnt at >8x... so I burn 4x to be on the safe side. No problem since then.

and btw: I'm using 24x CDR's...


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Spin Doctor
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Registered: Jul 2001
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The number of errors on the CD is more or less proportional to the speed that you burn it at. If you go to get your CD professionally mastered/put onto regular CD’s the studio boffin peeps can tell roughly what speed you burnt it at due to the number of errors on the disc! For spinning out I try and burn at the lowest speed possible.

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Aldrian
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Registered: Jul 2002
Location: Rio Rancho
*sigh of relief*

man you guys helped out alot. i mean that!!!

i thought all this time my cds would sound horrible on a good system which i haven't noticed yet. i will take it on the safe side and burn at 4x
my burner only goes from 1x to 2x to 4x and 8x max

and yes i use cdrs that burn up to 32x. currently the tdks im using is 24x i think

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Helta
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Registered: Mar 2002
Location: Cambridge, UK

I burn my CDs (that should only be burt upto 24x) at 52x, cus that's what my Writer can do.

There's no loss in quality, and the CDs are pretty crap quality

Old Post Oct-18-2002 01:46  United Kingdom
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Kid Lax
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Registered: Jul 2002
Location: Scarborough, Canada

im not sure what i burn at but its really fast
something ridiculous like 2 minutes a cd and i don't notice any loss in quality at all


then again i don't use these to play on loud systems or anything
just for demo cds


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DJTJ
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Registered: Jan 2001
Location: Bournemouth, UK when I'm at home, Cardiff, UK when I'm at uni

I always burn audio CDs at 4x, and data CDs as fast as they will go on any given burner.

With data CDs, it doesn't matter what speed you burn it at, because any errors that occur can be sorted out with error correction. However, with audio CDs, your audio CD player doesn't use error correction, and so it plays the error, which comes out as a click or a pop.

Basically, the faster the speed that you burn the CD, the more errors you will get. Data CDs are immune to the effects of errors, so burn them as fast as you can, but audio CDs are not so don't burn them any faster than 4x.

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