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TranceElevation
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Sammy - Boys Of Summer (melody)

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That track is so sad I can't even listen the whole thing. Years have passed, but it still has the same effect on me. It saddens me to an exaggerated extent.

Now, I don't know how much the lyric contributes to the feeling, but imo there is something in the chords/melody that moves me. Like, the melody has a certain AMBIGUOUS feeling. It seems happy and sad at the same time. Apparently the track is cheerful, joyful, but its actually damn sad.

So, what I'm wondering here, is if that's an accident or there is an actual thought behind it. Did the composer aimed at it or was it by chance? What is it that affects me in this way in your opinion? Could the lyrics play a role on a subconscious level maybe?

Is the track in minor or major scale? I know nothing about scales, keys and music theory in general...

Could a major scale induce a sad feeling?

Some melodies are explicitly sad and there's no doubt about them, but some others, like this one, are ambiguous...and that accentuates them even more imo.

Other tracks that give me that dual feeling are Gigi D'Agostino's "L'Amour Toujours" and ESPECIALLY "La Passion".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w15oWDh02K4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzT0dvNrFc4


So to sum it up. I'd like to know from those who are more knowledgeable about music theory if I'm trippin' or there is actually something particular with these melodies...


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I have no clue about the emotional vs harmonic content. I just wanted to point out this track has the opposite effect on me. Makes me happy .


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TranceElevation
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I have no clue about the emotional vs harmonic content. I just wanted to point out this track has the opposite effect on me. Makes me happy .


Well, at this point is clear the track transmits a dual feeling.

For me it is almost melancholic.


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Is this some kind of trap or is the serious, curious.

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Is this some kind of trap or is the serious, curious.


Lol, this is good question -> but I still like the original one more from Don Henley

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So much box gap in that video.

Maybe all the box gap is causing you to have emotions.


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I thought i was the only one who can get emotional from cheesy songs.



And i think "Better Off Alone" is even a better example of that duality you are speaking of.

It's Probably just nostalgic value of it all.

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I'm not gonna listen to that crap, but if I recall correctly these melodies follow the 4chord pop template. So that's probably why you like it.


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Showing my age here, but I was in high school when Don Henley released the original and covered this song in countless cover bands - it was sorta mandatory to cover this song in every dive bar until about the mid-90s. Anyway, I digress, but I don't think sad or melancholy are emotions that I've ever gotten from it, especially not this cheesy (and I mean that in a good way) remake of it. But, I can see where it could, especially if nostalgia is invoked, as Viber mentioned.

I don't recall what key the original is in and I'm work so I can't figure out the chords to this one now (probably Gmaj or F#maj, based on the vocal range). The vocals on the original are pretty high for most guys, but just about right (or maybe a half-step or so low) for most girls, and I'm pretty sure I've played it in everything from F#maj to Amaj. From what I recall, it's a pretty basic 4-chord pop progression, as mario said. From memory/ear, the verse is just vi, IV, V (i.e., has a minor/sad feel to it), and the chorus is I, V, IV (i.e., has a major/happier feel to it). It also has some extensions/suspensions on the chord variations, which definitely makes it more interesting than many standard pop progressions.


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Ha, you used my way to represent minor keys within a major context which is the way people do it with good ears and like to keep things simple.

You used to always use the aeolian VII VII I.


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TranceElevation
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Here is another one. Not as much as Sammy or D'Agostino, but still...


Do you find that track sad/melancholic?


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It's Probably just nostalgic value of it all.


Mate, it can't be nostalgia cause I never really liked or listened these tracks in the past. I believe there is some dark energy in these progressions. The question is if it was meant or it is by pure accident.

Alice Deejay also has some tracks that sadden me.


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lol dark energy. there is nothing special about those chords. it is nostalgia. pop has been using those chords for decades. `Wagner was using that progression. I mean it is pretty fucking old.

i did not find it sad. If i was a twinky rtaver with my raver boyfriend and we were really fucking high giving each other candy kisses, i would find this happy and beautiful.



this is rather dark , not gonna use sad but impossible for most to hear as happy.


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