I thought it was time for another thread about iraq. this time, i would like an answer to the question, why attack iraq? unfortunately, i think that the question has already been answered.

america will go to war with iraq, it is a certainty i am loathe to admit. the troops are in Qatar, the battleships are ready in the gulf, and the american public is stoked for blood they were denied from the failed manhunt for osama. it doesn't matter whether saddamn surrenders his daughters to be white house interns, the war will occur, because G dubya wants it to. or more specifically, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleeza Rice, and other legacies of bush senior want it to, so it will happen.

There are no credible links between al-qaeda and saddam hussein. in fact, saddamn hussein and the ba'ath party have always been very secular, and would be firmly against any sort of muslim sharia. despite all efforts to link saddamn to terrorism, he is not a terrorist, certainly not in the sens that al-qaeda is. Now, you say he is a terrorist in his own country, and i will agree. He has tortued and killed many iraqis, and he is in that sense a "terrorist" in that he strikes terror in peoples hearts. however, arguably so is GB, with his opression of his own fellow americans, and his brutally murderous foreign policies around the globe. as i say on my site, i am les afraid of the man who might have a gun, than the one who i know has all the guns, and is not afraid to use them on innocents who get in his way.

This is a matter for the UN to solve, pure and simple. The US deserves no more special position than canada, france, china, or any other nation in ensuring that iraq does not have WOMD. why does the UN turn a blind eye to other nations having WOMD? because the UN is manipulated strongly by the US, and right now the US has put the focus on iraq, and not, say for example on massive human rights violation in east timor.

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I personally do not support going to war with iraq over whatever weapons of mass distruction they may or may not have. I mean really, its not like we have any less weapons, and if you look at history the U.S is the only country to ever use a weapon of mass distruction. The war is all about Bush's ego, and his misguided idea that all muslim people he doesnt like are related to al-quaeda.

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the deadline is february 17th to go to war with iraq. this is because they would have enough time before the next ramadan or whatever bullshit reason the pentagon invents.

fuck even if saddam bends over and ask to be butt fucked (he aleady bent over) they will destroy the whole country and anyone living there...

btw the US isn't the only country that used weapons of mass destruction, Irak did so with the kurds, iran and irak used them on each other, the US used orange agent on vietnam, the list goes on... oh yeah who helped saddam building his arsenal ??? i let you do the research

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rigth now im kinda too lazy to get into the true technicallities of why war on iraq is justified ill just present my personal views as to why i want a regime change in iraq (and this has nothing to do with the US's or Bush's view)

although admittedtly evidence of Saddam's direct connections to al-qaeda are scarce at best, i still would be surprised if he wasnt in any way at least connented to terrorism outside of his own borders.
one reason why i would like to see saddam ousted (and seems like war is the only way) is his contribution and encourgement of palestinian terrorism agianst israel. need proof? http://www.idf.il/newsite/english/1225-3.stm
personally, this is enough reason, for me, to want the man dead as i would equate him to any other terrorist organization leader, which agian i have no sympath for.
another reason and this agian is on a purely personal agenda, i would like to see the regime ousted in order to set up the first true democracy in an arab country that would be based on the prinicples similar to that of the US constitution (freedom of speech, freedom from discrimination... yadda yadda).
lastly based on past history and the lack of change to this date i feel that Saddam is a threat to the internationl community.

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arabs are too proud of themselves and they don't need the USA to remove the dictators from their place , the revolution will come one day and let it come alone

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Originally posted by Izzy although admittedtly evidence of Saddam's direct connections to al-qaeda are scarce at best, i still would be surprised if he wasnt in any way at least connented to terrorism outside of his own borders.

I know there is pretty good evidence that he funds terrorists outside his borders, I think I remember him admiting it at one time or another.

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Originally posted by fastmp3 arabs are too proud of themselves and they don't need the USA to remove the dictators from their place , the revolution will come one day and let it come alone

i dont know most of what i've been seeing is revolutions supporting more fanitical leadership each time... the revolution in iran, the taliban coming to power, the sultans of saudia... i see often on the news riots supporting the religious leaders and threatening the US and Israel, for that matter the entire western way of life. i've yet to hear about a decent uprising in the mid-east that opposes their dictators or the highjacking of islam by the fantical extremists (though i have heard of the students in iran trying to start a democracy, and morroco is a great example of progressing forward). maybe the ones who are the loudest are really the minority but they are doing a good job of running all over the passive majority.

that and im also impatient

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Originally posted by Izzy i dont know most of what i've been seeing is revolutions supporting more fanitical leadership each time... the revolution in iran, the taliban coming to power, the sultans of saudia...[quote] iran : the shah was replaced by an islamic dictatorship afghanistan : did talibans win elections or something like that ? once they had the power was there any sight of democracy ? saudi arabia : the ben saoud family has the power for decades , there has been no changement [quote]i see often on the news riots supporting the religious leaders and threatening the US and Israel, for that matter the entire western way of life.

yeah there are a lot of rising groups preaching the destruction of the us and israel as the solution to all the problems in the muslim and arab world , they have a lot of success due to the fact that palestinian brothers are still gettin' massacred , but trust me once the israel-palestine problem is solved and the US keeps it's nose out of the middle-east (or at least take no side in resolving the conflict) these groups will blow out like a candle in the wind. unlike the legend spreading out , arabs are not basically hating persons , but don't mess with them

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i've yet to hear about a decent uprising in the mid-east that opposes their dictators or the highjacking of islam by the fantical extremists (though i have heard of the students in iran trying to start a democracy, and morroco is a great example of progressing forward). maybe the ones who are the loudest are really the minority but they are doing a good job of running all over the passive majority.

what you said is true , this is how the arabic society (at least this is how i see it in north africa , please don't take consider UAE koweit and other richer countries) is composed (very sad) : 1% of the government and rich people , 98% of people i would call "sheaps or lambs" they're too poor and too opressed to think about anything else than themselves , if they open their mouth they get beat up by cops , 1% of the good minority composed by middle-class persons but they don't get any support unfortunately

to you morocco is a great exemple of progressing cuz we're the biggest US suck ups in the arab and muslim world we say that the prime minister of morocco is the local us ambassador , of the french one after all we're the first country in the world to recognize the USA (but that's just to bother england who started to have some interests in morocco and thinking to invade us like spain and portugal back in the time) comparing to our friendly neighbours , we're no doubt the most democratic country even tho it's the king who decides everything , but we still need to take some lessons in democracy

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Originally posted by fastmp3 yeah there are a lot of rising groups preaching the destruction of the us and israel as the solution to all the problems in the muslim and arab world , they have a lot of success due to the fact that palestinian brothers are still gettin' massacred , but trust me once the israel-palestine problem is solved and the US keeps it's nose out of the middle-east (or at least take no side in resolving the conflict) these groups will blow out like a candle in the wind. unlike the legend spreading out ...

see this is where i will have to cordially disagree. i belive that the people in most arab countries that live under dictatorships are brainwashed to belive there problems lay outside that of the governments. the government makes the people belive that its an outside forces fault that they are poor when in reality it is their own government that is the cause of there opression and poverty. i seriously belive that if america just left its hands out of the matters of the mid-east and the palestinians gain a full country and peace with israel that there will still be radical fanatics controling and ruling what people think, they will find a new cause for the problems the arabs are having. btw i still cant see how the palestinian struggle has any affect on a poor arab in yemen, oman, or any other arab country, its not like israel is occupying/opressing other arab nations. arab nations must look within to solve there own problems before tackling those that come from the outside.

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This is the Third time that the United States has unsuccessfully tried to attck the government of Iraq. To me.. i think President Bush is on a power trip... and can basically be labelled as a state terrorist. During the firt Gulf war.. over one million people died.. most of them innocents on the Iraqi side...and unfortunately... i think more bloodshed will occur in the forthcoming war.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King To me.. i think President Bush is on a power trip... and can basically be labelled as a state terrorist.

well i guess your definition of terrorism is different then mine. what constitutes someone or some entity as being a terrorist? for me its simple. one who INTENTIONALLY aids, contributes or commits killing of innocent civilians in order to achieve a goal of some sort. until you prove to me that Bush's intention are to kill iraq civilians then i refuse to brand him a terrorist. A bully, a hawk yes i will accpet but not a terrorist. sadly saddam falls into my defintion of a terrorist

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