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I would not like any Tiesto bashers coming in here and getting this thread closed, so please control yourselves.



Having said that, I would like to discuss an issue with you all. Today my brother and I began to fight about who was better, Pvd or Tiesto? I felt Paul was much better while he thought Paul was no where nearly as close to a good dj/producer as Tiesto. He said that in Paul's Mayday 2000 set he had several bad transitions. He also claimed that Tiesto is better because he was the first to ever pull something off like Hide You vs. Flight 643. He also claimed that he had heard Tiesto's spinning latlely and still claimed that Tiesto had better mixing skills than Paul. We than began to discuss who was a better producer. He said that Paul's Columbia EP sucked and was a waste of money when he bought it. He than said that In My Memory is far better than any of Paul's productions (including For an Angel).


Now I happen to disagree. I still feel Tiesto is a talented guy, I just think Paul van Dyk is a lot better. I wanted to know what you guys thought of this subject...(and i also may need some reasons to disprove my brother )

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As for a producer, I think that I would choose Paul over Tiesto... although tiesto has a wide range of productions, there are some that seem just too sporadic for me. While paul has a definative style, and usually you can count on most of the stuff released to be very quality. Unfortuneatly Paul never releases stuff... *sigh*

DJ'ing... I dunno. I think they both do very well. Truthfully I am not the hugest fan of Tiesto. Both respectable people though. Truly... they deserve a lot of respect.

well when it comes to mixing i think paul is more consistant and flows a lil bit better,track selection..tiesto plays exactly my kind of trance..production i think tiesto is way better production wise..i only like three or four pvd tracks..so imho Paul wins in mixing..Tiesto wins in track selection and production...i would see thier shows on any given day though

Paul and Tijs will be again at Ibiza, just like last year; Tiesto will be also at the Loveparade in July.

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Bah. You're 14 and probably have never seen either of them live in a club, the only way you can really appreciate their talent.

What annoys me about posts like this is that you treat music like if it were a sport or competition, where you could quantitatively say that one is better than the other. But hey, guess what? Trance is music, music is art. Art is not about being better or worse. It all depends on taste, on qualitative assessment.

I've seen both of them about six times each and I can honestly say that I prefer Tiesto any day, just because his musical taste is more synched up with mine. I'm not saying that he's better, I'm just saying that I like him better.

I can appreciate how PvD is a seamless mixer who always comes up with incredible tracklists and you always expect to listen to his latest "re-edits" or whatever. But there's just something about Tiesto live that makes him so much more special to me. And I'm not talking about the way he interacts with the crowd, I'm talking about the way he interprets the music and places every track in a way that is very unique and "magik".

You can say that he can't beatmatch, of course he has messed up a bit here and there on some livesets, but it's never anything to painful. There are better nights than other, and the same thing hapens to PvD-they are humans.

If you say Tiesto sets have no structure and that he plays tracks on random order then you must be on crack, because his brilliance in structure with all the nuances, contrasts and appropiate use of time flow that he uses is what has made Tiesto my favorite dj for the past 5 years since I first heard FP3. Listen to sets like Innercity 99, Energy 2000, Magik 6, DD, and Impulz and tell me Tiesto has no sense of structure.

I've always liked Tiesto more than PvD too because as a classical musician I could always relate more to Tiesto's choice of music while PvD has always been too damn fast for me (jacking up the bpms).

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Originally posted by Starfox Tiesto will be also at the Loveparade in July. xxx f0x

OMG I'm going, PvD and Tiesto at the LP

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Originally posted by DJ PíO I've always liked Tiesto more than PvD too because as a classical musician I could always relate more to Tiesto's choice of music while PvD has always been too damn fast for me (jacking up the bpms).

the Faster the better, I say. When I go to a club, I don`t go there to sleep do I? But yes, I love when Paul plays fast and bangin'

Anyways, the last 2 times Tijs has been to Club Space here in Miami, he has had no flow in his sets. I mean, how can you play Techno with Progressive back2back? that's just not right! Most of the time he can put down a great show, but some others, he can be so random at playing records.

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Originally posted by DJ PíO Bah. You're 14 and probably have never seen either of them live in a club, the only way you can really appreciate their talent. I've seen both of them about six times each and I can honestly say that I prefer Tiesto any day, just because his musical taste is more synched up with mine. I'm not saying that he's better, I'm just saying that I like him better. I can appreciate how PvD is a seamless mixer who always comes up with incredible tracklists and you always expect to listen to his latest "re-edits" or whatever. But there's just something about Tiesto live that makes him so much more special to me. And I'm not talking about the way he interacts with the crowd, I'm talking about the way he interprets the music and places every track in a way that is very unique and "magik". You can say that he can't beatmatch, of course he has messed up a bit here and there on some livesets, but it's never anything to painful. There are better nights than other, and the same thing hapens to PvD-they are humans. If you say Tiesto sets have no structure and that he plays tracks on random order then you must be on crack, because his brilliance in structure with all the nuances, contrasts and appropiate use of time flow that he uses is what has made Tiesto my favorite dj for the past 5 years since I first heard FP3. Listen to sets like Innercity 99, Energy 2000, Magik 6, DD, and Impulz and tell me Tiesto has no sense of structure. I've always liked Tiesto more than PvD too because as a classical musician I could always relate more to Tiesto's choice of music while PvD has always been too damn fast for me (jacking up the bpms).

just because Im 14 doesn't mean I dont know anything about either of them. I just like Paul's better than Tiesto. I just wanted to know other people opinion's on this issue, there was no need to yell at me about it. I was just trying to see what others thought of this. I still really like Tiesto, and he happens to be one of my favorite dj's. I really like some of the music he plays and at certain moments I could really go for a Tiesto set rather than a PvD set. I just feel PvD fits more of the style I like. I respect Tiesto and I think he is a great and talented guy.

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Originally posted by Starfox the Faster the better, I say. When I go to a club, I don`t go there to sleep do I? But yes, I love when Paul plays fast and bangin' Anyways, the last 2 times Tijs has been to Club Space here in Miami, he has had no flow in his sets. I mean, how can you play Techno with Progressive back2back? that's just not right! Most of the time he can put down a great show, but some others, he can be so random at playing records. xxx f0x

I enjoy PvD when he's fast and banging, but I don't always have the energy to survive. All the times I went to Twilo back in the day I had to leave early because it was too much for my physical strenght.

I love prog and techno in one set, because there's nothing better than contrasts to me. I don't hear it as random, I hear it as experimentations with contrasts and pushing the limits of EDM. At first was kinda awkward, but I think he's getting better at it. I trust Tiesto's musical taste and I still think he's doing great.

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Originally posted by NooKLeaR just because Im 14 doesn't mean I dont know anything about either of them. I just like Paul's better than Tiesto. I just wanted to know other people opinion's on this issue, there was no need to yell at me about it. I was just trying to see what others thought of this. I still really like Tiesto, and he happens to be one of my favorite dj's. I really like some of the music he plays and at certain moments I could really go for a Tiesto set rather than a PvD set. I just feel PvD fits more of the style I like. I respect Tiesto and I think he is a great and talented guy.

Sorry i wasn't yelling at ya kid. Keep listening to trance, you have the right to like one better than the other. Peace.

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Originally posted by DJ PíO I enjoy PvD when he's fast and banging, but I don't always have the energy to survive. All the times I went to Twilo back in the day I had to leave early because it was too much for my physical strenght. I love prog and techno in one set, because there's nothing better than contrasts to me. I don't hear it as random, I hear it as experimentations with contrasts and pushing the limits of EDM. At first was kinda awkward, but I think he's getting better at it. I trust Tiesto's musical taste and I still think he's doing great.

I totally agree with you. I enjoy PvD best when he is real fast. I also agree with you on prog and tech-trance. I think its real unique what he is doing. It seems as tho Tiesto is trying to make his own unique style and I think thats real cool.



and sorry for getting mad and defensive or whatever. I respect your opinion and I think your a great guy. I just kinda get mad when people look down on me cuz Im a kid. sorry man...

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Mixing = PvD
Trackselction = Tiesto
Production = Tiesto