there is an organization called ROAR set up to battle the RAVE act.
ROAR "Ravers Organized Against the RAVE act"
roargroup.org

Personally (and flame worthy), i do agree with scaring people out of bringing drugs into club or rave. When adverstisements on TV say "don't do drugs" don't do enough, well then i guess it is justified to have strictly enforced. I don't support the government in their actions of RAIDING clubs and raves. I would rather have tighter security, wether it's just some neighborhood bouncer or someone of greater power in the anti-drug scene.
I thought it was absolutely ABSURD that they actually took pictures of people. Finding drug users is one thing, but to photograph and associate clubber's with drugs. BLEH! People who don't do drugs are getting reported and recorded? bleh!

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Originally posted by djSlain there is an organization called ROAR set up to battle the RAVE act. ROAR "Ravers Organized Against the RAVEact" Personally (and flame worthy), i do agree with scaring people out of bringing drugs into club or rave.

Trouble is, it backfires. When they tell kids that cannabis is a dangerious drug, harp on about "killer pills". They try cannabis....it's no big deal, the research it properly & find out the governments talking crap. They try pills, find out how they work...again government's feeding them crap.

So why should they believe the government when they say Heroin ruins lives? Or that coke is addictive?

Education is they key. Look at Holland, where they're senisible about drug information, and the place doesn't have anywhere near the same amount of drug problems as somewhere like the US or UK.

i was just wondering this as i was in space:
How come marijuana is illegal in the states? i would think it's just like a cigarette, only stronger. help?

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Originally posted by djSlain i was just wondering this as i was in space: How come marijuana is illegal in the states? i would think it's just like a cigarette, only stronger. help?

*shrugs*

Coz drugs are bad Doesn't matter what they do or how dangerous they are, they're just bad.

Drug's are voodoo in the states even today because of a series of events that happened a long long time ago (80+ years). What started off as pretty much simple corruption (tobacco farmers lobbied against hemp to make it illegal in the early 1900s (sorry im fuct right now.. no dates). This pretty much set the precedent for whats happened today, somewhere along the lines our government decided to try and rid society of all 'drugs' by waging a war on drugs... Prohibition was kind of a precursor one might say, it failed horribly (everything went up.. soo many people died/went blind because of impure alcohol in the 1920s and early 30's)... Now that the precedent has been set its heresy for *any* politician to mention legilsation for decriminilization... why??? because it is a LOT easier to say 'we will upgrade the drug war to protect the kids'.. and you will win almost every single parent's vote in the US. The truth is the drug war is simply ineffective... www.druglibrary.org... All kinds of neat stuff there... BY THE DEA's OWN documents there is no conceivable way to cut back on drug intake or drive the prices up... point in case, in the early nineties the DEA in NY made an estimate that would have to increase seizures of cocaine by 10x or something obscene like that to make a conceivable difference on the street price of coke in NYC. That was shortly before they busted 10 tons of coke in one spot... the price increased, but not nearly as much as they would expect... Government *funded* studies have shown that the only effective way to eliminate drugs would be to spray the fields with defoliaging chemicals (targetted 'specifically' for drug bearing plants)in south america, which would likely (by all estimates) put south america in economic ruin (as if it is not already) further increasing instability in the region. It is a lose lose situation, its like trying to mop up water while the tap is still on as one retired DEA agent put it... It is conceivable that the amount of money lost to the drug war (which is in the *BILLIONS* with the literal propaganda the government pushes about drugs *everywhere* and how much police task force is dedicated to drug enforcement) could be nullified with tariffs and such...

If you aren't convinced that America is fighting a literal vietnam on the drug issue then consider this... Even if they could bust every single drug user/distributer in america (which by.. the DEA's standards, passing a joint to somebody else makes you a dealer) which estimates in the 5 million range (at least, i think that is a 1990 statistic), they would not only have to build 4 prisons for every one that exists today, it would put our country in ruin. It costs on average 30,000 a year to imprison somebody ... Do the math 150,000,000,000 ~ 150 billion dollars a year... that is totally neglecting the fact that it costs ~half a million dollars to convict a drug dealer... Clearly a strain america could not survive. Right now over half of the convicted inmate population in america is in prison for non-violent drug charges... It's scary...

Anyone with a levelheaded view on the topic can see decriminilization and education is the only reasonable solution the problem.. but hey, this is america!

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Originally posted by SuperFarStucker Drug's are voodoo in the states even today because of a series of events that happened a long long time ago (80+ years). What started off as pretty much simple corruption (tobacco farmers lobbied against hemp to make it illegal in the early 1900s (sorry im fuct right now.. no dates). This pretty much set the precedent for whats happened today, somewhere along the lines our government decided to try and rid society of all 'drugs' by waging a war on drugs... Prohibition was kind of a precursor one might say, it failed horribly (everything went up.. soo many people died/went blind because of impure alcohol in the 1920s and early 30's)... Now that the precedent has been set its heresy for *any* politician to mention legilsation for decriminilization... why??? because it is a LOT easier to say 'we will upgrade the drug war to protect the kids'.. and you will win almost every single parent's vote in the US. The truth is the drug war is simply ineffective... www.druglibrary.org... All kinds of neat stuff there... BY THE DEA's OWN documents there is no conceivable way to cut back on drug intake or drive the prices up... point in case, in the early nineties the DEA in NY made an estimate that would have to increase seizures of cocaine by 10x or something obscene like that to make a conceivable difference on the street price of coke in NYC. That was shortly before they busted 10 tons of coke in one spot... the price increased, but not nearly as much as they would expect... Government *funded* studies have shown that the only effective way to eliminate drugs would be to spray the fields with defoliaging chemicals (targetted 'specifically' for drug bearing plants)in south america, which would likely (by all estimates) put south america in economic ruin (as if it is not already) further increasing instability in the region. It is a lose lose situation, its like trying to mop up water while the tap is still on as one retired DEA agent put it... It is conceivable that the amount of money lost to the drug war (which is in the *BILLIONS* with the literal propaganda the government pushes about drugs *everywhere* and how much police task force is dedicated to drug enforcement) could be nullified with tariffs and such... If you aren't convinced that America is fighting a literal vietnam on the drug issue then consider this... Even if they could bust every single drug user/distributer in america (which by.. the DEA's standards, passing a joint to somebody else makes you a dealer) which estimates in the 5 million range (at least, i think that is a 1990 statistic), they would not only have to build 4 prisons for every one that exists today, it would put our country in ruin. It costs on average 30,000 a year to imprison somebody ... Do the math 150,000,000,000 ~ 150 billion dollars a year... that is totally neglecting the fact that it costs ~half a million dollars to convict a drug dealer... Clearly a strain america could not survive. Right now over half of the convicted inmate population in america is in prison for non-violent drug charges... It's scary... Anyone with a levelheaded view on the topic can see decriminilization and education is the only reasonable solution the problem.. but hey, this is america!

Awesome post man!!! I agree with you 100%. I'm so glad I live in Canada.

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Originally posted by SuperFarStucker Drug's are voodoo in the states even today because of a series of events that happened a long long time ago (80+ years). What started off as pretty much simple corruption (tobacco farmers lobbied against hemp to make it illegal in the early 1900s (sorry im fuct right now.. no dates). This pretty much set the precedent for whats happened today, somewhere along the lines our government decided to try and rid society of all 'drugs' by waging a war on drugs... Prohibition was kind of a precursor one might say, it failed horribly (everything went up.. soo many people died/went blind because of impure alcohol in the 1920s and early 30's)... Now that the precedent has been set its heresy for *any* politician to mention legilsation for decriminilization... why??? because it is a LOT easier to say 'we will upgrade the drug war to protect the kids'.. and you will win almost every single parent's vote in the US. The truth is the drug war is simply ineffective... www.druglibrary.org... All kinds of neat stuff there... BY THE DEA's OWN documents there is no conceivable way to cut back on drug intake or drive the prices up... point in case, in the early nineties the DEA in NY made an estimate that would have to increase seizures of cocaine by 10x or something obscene like that to make a conceivable difference on the street price of coke in NYC. That was shortly before they busted 10 tons of coke in one spot... the price increased, but not nearly as much as they would expect... Government *funded* studies have shown that the only effective way to eliminate drugs would be to spray the fields with defoliaging chemicals (targetted 'specifically' for drug bearing plants)in south america, which would likely (by all estimates) put south america in economic ruin (as if it is not already) further increasing instability in the region. It is a lose lose situation, its like trying to mop up water while the tap is still on as one retired DEA agent put it... It is conceivable that the amount of money lost to the drug war (which is in the *BILLIONS* with the literal propaganda the government pushes about drugs *everywhere* and how much police task force is dedicated to drug enforcement) could be nullified with tariffs and such... If you aren't convinced that America is fighting a literal vietnam on the drug issue then consider this... Even if they could bust every single drug user/distributer in america (which by.. the DEA's standards, passing a joint to somebody else makes you a dealer) which estimates in the 5 million range (at least, i think that is a 1990 statistic), they would not only have to build 4 prisons for every one that exists today, it would put our country in ruin. It costs on average 30,000 a year to imprison somebody ... Do the math 150,000,000,000 ~ 150 billion dollars a year... that is totally neglecting the fact that it costs ~half a million dollars to convict a drug dealer... Clearly a strain america could not survive. Right now over half of the convicted inmate population in america is in prison for non-violent drug charges... It's scary... Anyone with a levelheaded view on the topic can see decriminilization and education is the only reasonable solution the problem.. but hey, this is america!

I totaly agree.

The drug war is total and utter bullshit.
but its a tool for politicians to gain support.
the way a typical politician thinks----me first, then my country
but if they didnt think that way, because of the overwhelmingly ignorant public, they wouldn't gain support, so they have to resort to being slimeballs.
its sad how politics works.

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Originally posted by SuperFarStucker Drug's are voodoo in the states even today because of a series of events that happened a long long time ago (80+ years). What started off as pretty much simple corruption (tobacco farmers lobbied against hemp to make it illegal in the early 1900s (sorry im fuct right now.. no dates). This pretty much set the precedent for whats happened today, somewhere along the lines our government decided to try and rid society of all 'drugs' by waging a war on drugs... Prohibition was kind of a precursor one might say, it failed horribly (everything went up.. soo many people died/went blind because of impure alcohol in the 1920s and early 30's)... Now that the precedent has been set its heresy for *any* politician to mention legilsation for decriminilization... why??? because it is a LOT easier to say 'we will upgrade the drug war to protect the kids'.. and you will win almost every single parent's vote in the US. The truth is the drug war is simply ineffective... www.druglibrary.org... All kinds of neat stuff there... BY THE DEA's OWN documents there is no conceivable way to cut back on drug intake or drive the prices up... point in case, in the early nineties the DEA in NY made an estimate that would have to increase seizures of cocaine by 10x or something obscene like that to make a conceivable difference on the street price of coke in NYC. That was shortly before they busted 10 tons of coke in one spot... the price increased, but not nearly as much as they would expect... Government *funded* studies have shown that the only effective way to eliminate drugs would be to spray the fields with defoliaging chemicals (targetted 'specifically' for drug bearing plants)in south america, which would likely (by all estimates) put south america in economic ruin (as if it is not already) further increasing instability in the region. It is a lose lose situation, its like trying to mop up water while the tap is still on as one retired DEA agent put it... It is conceivable that the amount of money lost to the drug war (which is in the *BILLIONS* with the literal propaganda the government pushes about drugs *everywhere* and how much police task force is dedicated to drug enforcement) could be nullified with tariffs and such... If you aren't convinced that America is fighting a literal vietnam on the drug issue then consider this... Even if they could bust every single drug user/distributer in america (which by.. the DEA's standards, passing a joint to somebody else makes you a dealer) which estimates in the 5 million range (at least, i think that is a 1990 statistic), they would not only have to build 4 prisons for every one that exists today, it would put our country in ruin. It costs on average 30,000 a year to imprison somebody ... Do the math 150,000,000,000 ~ 150 billion dollars a year... that is totally neglecting the fact that it costs ~half a million dollars to convict a drug dealer... Clearly a strain america could not survive. Right now over half of the convicted inmate population in america is in prison for non-violent drug charges... It's scary... Anyone with a levelheaded view on the topic can see decriminilization and education is the only reasonable solution the problem.. but hey, this is america!

good post, those hemp farmers should have lobbied against the fuckin tobacco farmers, then it would be a whole differnt story these days
anywas, thanks for that site, imma check it, also dont knwo if you know this site byt check www.thegooddrugsguide.com very good, and i think www.erowid.com or something

another good site is the governments VERY OWN ORGANIZATIONS.. ahh the irony, by their own reports they are innefective.. www.doj.gov, www.census.gov.. dive into those knowing what to look for (its not a mystery that their are millions of worthless documents floating around on those sites simply there to hide the facts).. our govenment likes statistics, but they are rarely reported in their entirety...

sorry.. www.usdoj.gov my bad

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