I think I'm yet to respect a politician more than this fella (except Clinton maybe). Has any1 seen his performance at this MTV debate show? Brilliant to have such a genuine politician with this courage and an open mind. Blair was the ONLY politician to be ready to enter a dialougue with youths from all around the world. While Rumsfeld basically agreed but had no time, out pathetic sccumbags Chriac and Schroeder simply rejected the offer. No matter what you think about Blair's position you gotta give the guy credit for allowing curious people like us to directly confront him with their concerns and questions (which also dealt with the Israeli, Kurdish and Serbian conflicts). Anyway I'm pretty proud to be on the side of men like him instead of going along the path of the ego-centric hypocrites Schroeder and Chirac.

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? what's so hard to understand?

There was this show of MTV Europe, topic being "Is war the answer?". They asked several politicians to come, sit down and answer questions from young people who came from all over the world. Blair had the guts to come and did a great job. I find it admiring that he takes his time to actually listen to people's concerns and try to justify his position. Kinda leaves me some hope that politics is not only about money, power and lies.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant ? what's so hard to understand? There was this show of MTV Europe, topic being "Is war the answer?". They asked several politicians to come, sit down and answer questions from young people who came from all over the world. Blair had the guts to come and did a great job. I find it admiring that he takes his time to actually listen to people's concerns and try to justify his position. Kinda leaves me some hope that politics is not only about money, power and lies.

You know, I think you should admire a politician based on their actions over any certain time frame, not because they put up some false facade. Blair can pretend he cares about people's concerns all he wants, but I and many others know he's as much of a turd as Bush. So wait wait, for real now, this still isn't sinking in, you drew the conclusion that because Blair decided to come on an MTV show this one isolated time and spew out BS about his and Bush's efforts to help the middle east, that he's on the side of good and Chirac and Schroeder are on the side of evil?

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Kinda leaves me some hope that politics is not only about money, power and lies.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant ? what's so hard to understand? There was this show of MTV Europe, topic being "Is war the answer?". They asked several politicians to come, sit down and answer questions from young people who came from all over the world. Blair had the guts to come and did a great job. I find it admiring that he takes his time to actually listen to people's concerns and try to justify his position. Kinda leaves me some hope that politics is not only about money, power and lies.

- Yeah, I do agree with that Blair, been right or wrong, has the guts to face and answer questions. I took this as an example when people were on the protest against war, Blair came and at least talked about his position and what he thought about it, while Bush was all hidden, he didnt even appear nor talked about the ANTI-WAR movement.

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Well.. I don't know if i'd say i have respect for Blair. He is after all taking a position that the overwhelming majority of citizens in his country don't agree with, not to mention his own cabinent. I severly doubt he will be re-elected, he has sacrificed his career on this issue.

So, while he may not have integrity, he at least has balls, as further evidenced by his willingness to go on MTV europe. I wish i could have seen that.

for what it's worth, Bill Graham, the canadian minister of foreign affairs went on a similar show in canada, also called "Is war the answer" broadcast commercial free for 2 hours on CBC, canadas national TV network.

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Originally posted by JohnSmith Well.. I don't know if i'd say i have respect for Blair. He is after all taking a position that the overwhelming majority of citizens in his country don't agree with, not to mention his own cabinent. I severly doubt he will be re-elected, he has sacrificed his career on this issue. So, while he may not have integrity, he at least has balls, as further evidenced by his willingness to go on MTV europe. I wish i could have seen that. for what it's worth, Bill Graham, the canadian minister of foreign affairs went on a similar show in canada, also called "Is war the answer" broadcast commercial free for 2 hours on CBC, canadas national TV network.

Well if he's not doing it for reelection maybe you have to admire the man for doing what he truly believes in. Like how could this possibly benefit him? Many in Britain are probably gonna hate the guy for a long time for doing this. I don't care what the issue is about, I take satisfaction in seeing that there are still politicians out there who aren't just trying to cover their own asses.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant I think I'm yet to respect a politician more than this fella (except Clinton maybe). Has any1 seen his performance at this MTV debate show? Brilliant to have such a genuine politician with this courage and an open mind. Blair was the ONLY politician to be ready to enter a dialougue with youths from all around the world. While Rumsfeld basically agreed but had no time, out pathetic sccumbags Chriac and Schroeder simply rejected the offer. No matter what you think about Blair's position you gotta give the guy credit for allowing curious people like us to directly confront him with their concerns and questions (which also dealt with the Israeli, Kurdish and Serbian conflicts). Anyway I'm pretty proud to be on the side of men like him instead of going along the path of the ego-centric hypocrites Schroeder and Chirac.

Colin Powell also appeared on MTV for the same show... He also gave great responses to many of the questions asked/debated. Unfortunately, he is in the position that he cannot openly speak his mind on issues.

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Originally posted by Nalin So wait wait, for real now, this still isn't sinking in, you drew the conclusion that because Blair decided to come on an MTV show this one isolated time and spew out BS about his and Bush's efforts to help the middle east, that he's on the side of good and Chirac and Schroeder are on the side of evil?

No, I do look at actions and not words. That's the point actually. Go read the "Since I'm feeling it" thread where I elaborate on why I disrespect Schroder and Chriac (who sacrifice the transatlantic friendship and alliance for the sake of their own personal status). In Blair's case it's the act of showing up at a "kiddie" show and answering questions which lets me admire the guy, much more than the actual content of his answers. I just find it totally unsurprising that Chriac, whose political moves I find hypocritical dangerous and egoistic, confirms his cowardice by refusing to justify his position and enter a dialogue with us people. Si?

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Originally posted by JohnSmith Well.. I don't know if i'd say i have respect for Blair. He is after all taking a position that the overwhelming majority of citizens in his country don't agree with, not to mention his own cabinent.

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You think that leaders should always take the position of their electorate?

If so, you are very wrong.
If the leader always listened to the opinion of all the people he governs, there would be anarchy and chaos and no hard decisions would be taken.

The electorate's job is to elect a leader.
Then the leader decides the course of his country based on the facts and horizons available and visible to him as a leader.

Don't be so naive

And indeed, if Blair has the guts to stand up and explain his course of action and debate in the face of widespread opposition and present his convincing arguments in a coherent and persuasive way, I have the utmost respect for the man.

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Originally posted by Eugene And? You think that leaders should always take the position of their electorate? If so, you are very wrong. If the leader always listened to the opinion of all the people he governs, there would be anarchy and chaos and no hard decisions would be taken. The electorate's job is to elect a leader. Then the leader decides the course of his country based on the facts and horizons available and visible to him as a leader. Don't be so naive And indeed, if Blair has the guts to stand up and explain his course of action and debate in the face of widespread opposition and present his convincing arguments in a coherent and persuasive way, I have the utmost respect for the man.

Agreed, keep in mind that some of these people have a clearer understanding of the situation than you or I. Not to say that we are all dumber, but they have access to intelligence and secretive information that is never released to the public. Yes we can say that our elected officials are idiots but hey ... we're the morons that elected them into office. Learn to accept responsibility.

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Originally posted by occrider Agreed, keep in mind that some of these people have a clearer understanding of the situation than you or I. Not to say that we are all dumber, but they have access to intelligence and secretive information that is never released to the public. Yes we can say that our elected officials are idiots but hey ... we're the morons that elected them into office. Learn to accept responsibility.

You know, of all the message boards I've checked out, this one seems to have some of the most sensible, rational posts I've read (you judge whether that is bad or good). Very refreshing.