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Mental Exodus
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Be Cool! Do U Trust What An "expert" Says?

I got into an argument about this at school. Basically I said that everything u watch on TV and read in mags and other texts ends up being about $$ and you are always being influenced by "experts" who only tell u things cuz they are getting paid too and barely ever have your best interest at heart. The people in my class said that most experts are good people and that there is little corruption when it comes to giving the consumer the straight goods. So I am opening this up with text I took from an excellent book on the topic. Please give me your thoughts on the topic. (it’s a long read so get text aloud mp3 to read it for u @ www.nextup.com) works wonders for slow readers.

The book is called "Trust Us, We're Experts by Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber

We count on the experts. We count on them to tell us who to vote for, what to eat, how to raise our children. We watch them on TV, listen to them on the radio, read their opinions in magazine and newspaper articles and letters to the editor. We trust them to tell us what to think, because there's too much information out there and not enough hours in a day to sort it all out.

We should stop trusting them right this second.

Ever wonder how Industry Manipulates Science and Gambles with Your Future? ." Public relations firms and corporations have seized upon a slick new way of getting you to buy what they have to sell: Let you hear it from a neutral "third party," like a professor or a pediatrician or a soccer mom or a watchdog group. The problem is, these third parties are usually anything but neutral. They have been handpicked, cultivated, and meticulously packaged to make you believe what they have to say--preferably in an "objective" format like a news show or a letter to the editor. And in some cases, they have been paid handsomely for their "opinions."

For example:
You think that nonprofit organizations just give away their stamps of approval on products? Bristol-Myers Squibb paid $600,000 to the American Heart Association for the right to display AHA's name and logo in ads for its cholesterol-lowering drug Pravachol. Smith Kline Beecham paid the American Cancer Society $1 million for the right to use its logo in ads for Beecham's Nicoderm CQ and Nicorette anti-smoking ads.
You think that you're witnessing a spontaneous public debate over a national issue? When the Justice Department began antitrust investigations of the Microsoft Corporation in 1998, Microsoft's public relations firm countered with a plan to plant pro-Microsoft articles, letters to the editor, and opinion pieces all across the nation, crafted by professional media handlers but meant to be perceived as off-the-cuff, heart-felt testimonials by "people out there." You think that a study out of a prestigious university is completely unbiased? In 1997, Georgetown University's Credit Research Center issued a study which concluded that many debtors are using bankruptcy as an excuse to wriggle out of their obligations to creditors. Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Lloyd Bentsen cited the study in a Washington Times column and advocated for changes in federal law to make it harder for consumers to file for bankruptcy relief. What Bentsen failed to mention was that the Credit Research Center is funded in its entirety by credit card companies, banks, retailers, and others in the credit industry; that the study itself was produced with a $100,000 grant from Visa USA and MasterCard International Inc.; and that Bentsen himself had been hired to work as a credit-industry lobbyist.
You think that all grassroots organizations are truly grassroots? In 1993, a group called Mothers Opposing Pollution (MOP) appeared, calling itself "the largest women's environmental group in Australia, with thousands of supporters across the country." Their cause: A campaign against plastic milk bottles. It turned out that the group's spokesperson, Alana Maloney, was in truth a woman named Janet Rundle, the business partner of a man who did P.R. for the Association of Liquidpaperboard Carton Manufacturers-the makers of paper milk cartons. You think that if a scientist says so, it must be true? In the early 1990s, tobacco companies secretly paid thirteen scientists a total of $156,000 to write a few letters to influential medical journals. One biostatistician received $10,000 for writing a single, eight-paragraph letter that was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. A cancer researcher received $20,137 for writing four letters and an opinion piece to the Lancet, the Journal of the National Cancer Institute, and the Wall Street Journal. Nice work if you can get it, especially since the scientists didn't even have to write the letters themselves. Two tobacco-industry law firms were available to do the actual drafting and editing.



OH YA CHECK THIS BOOK OUT IT KICKS ASS EVEN IF U DON’T BELIEVE ONE WORD.


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sifntj0r
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i certainly think that if a writer/interviewer wants to influence or prove his point, that there are enough experts in any given field, he/she just keeps looking until they find one that agree's with their point of view.

and if that fails, money will buy anyone.


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leebee
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the experts are usually full of shit. who pays for their time, who funds their research? if they are university sponsired they are *usually* more impartial... but if its company funded research into something a company will profit from, then i dont believe it.

eg: if an expert gets up and tells me i should use product x by company y because "our studies show" that 30% said ti made a difference to their lives, i know its a load of shit, because the studies will be skewed by the way the study is.

i dont believe ANYTHING on crap american talk shows - OPRAH is a big one here... her experts are just dickheads.

if im interested enough in something ive been told ill look it up on the net and try to get a couple of different views before deciding what ill believe.


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Trance Plant
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Just think of so called expert testimony from an expert witness in trials. Both the prosecution and defendents can call upon these experts. This goes to show that the label 'expert' can be utilized on both sides of the coin. Which do you believe?

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