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Originally posted by melech_mike If Israel is "occupying" territories today, who was occupying them until 1967? If the West Bank and Gaza belong to "Palestinians", why were they under the control of Jordan and Egypt until June 5, 1967? If Arab "Palestinians" just want their own state, why didn't they ask for it before 1967? Why is it, according to many articles written in 1967, that when the Arabs talked about "occupied territories", they meant all of Israel?

1. Palestine
2. Dont know, whats the answer?
3. dunno
4. dunno

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Originally posted by Dmatrox 1. Palestine 2. Dont know, whats the answer? 3. dunno 4. dunno

i just dont get this Palestine thing. It isn't even a country right? just a territory with "imaginary" so called "borders"...

damn conflicts....

although i do percieve that the leader of this Palestine is a terrorist....why in the hell would they get what they want then?

wierd.

>JM<

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always with the same tired old rhetoric to justify occupation. The land called the Occupied Territories belongs to Arabs. The land called Israel wants to take it from them just like they took land in 1948-1949.

You people know what you did was wrong.

The best discussion of the Israel-Palestine question in my view is contained in the opening chapters of Robert Fisks "Pity the Nation" a book on the war in Lebanon but also covering the wider middle east.

In it he talked to people who lived at the time and what they went through. It is very compelling reading because he talks to ordinary people Jews and Arabs who were caught up in events they really had no control over and he goes to visit the places where those people lived fifty years on.

I would suggest to anyone who has even the remotest interest in the Middle East to read the first few chapters of Pity the Nation. Well read the whole thing if you can but it is a very large book.

So I challenge any Israeli or apologist of the same to read it and then come back here and smugly proclaim how the arabs have no legitimacy to their grievances.

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Originally posted by JM i just dont get this Palestine thing. It isn't even a country right? just a territory with "imaginary" so called "borders"... damn conflicts.... although i do percieve that the leader of this Palestine is a terrorist....why in the hell would they get what they want then? wierd. >JM<

go back to school dude

THE JEWS AND ARABS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FIGHTING. WE TRACE THIS STUPID FIGHT BACK TO WHEN THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE WAS WRITEN THE PEOPLES NAMES HAVE CHANGED BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE SAME THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG, U CANT JUSTIFY YOUR SIDE OF THE FIGHT BY STATING A FEW RECENT EVENTS.

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now now there is a war with Iraq on, lets not discuss other issues and focus soley on the war ok?

well that and i think we've already been through this...

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Originally posted by Yoepus now now there is a war with Iraq on, lets not discuss other issues and focus soley on the war ok? well that and i think we've already been through this...

No one ever answered these questions.
i'm lost when it comes to seeing they're point when they cant even directly give me a legit answer to those four questions....

Hey, if someone did answer them already, please post a link!

I have yet to see the names in the subject box reply to this thread.... i smell fear. fear of the truth!

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The whole land of Israel was under the control of the Plastenians before 1967. I don't know where all the jews came from. I know this that under the United Nations resolution, United Kingdon relocated around XXX million jews to the newly appointed territories of Israel. And ever since then they've been expanding territories and expelling all the Palestinians. That is where all the animosity started. Hopefully someone will find a solution to this problem quickly and those ppl can go on with our lives in peace...... :P

I hope that answers most of ur questions.

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Originally posted by tranced_out The whole land of Israel was under the control of the Plastenians before 1967. I don't know where all the jews came from. I know this that under the United Nations resolution, United Kingdon relocated around XXX million jews to the newly appointed territories of Israel. And ever since then they've been expanding territories and expelling all the Palestinians. That is where all the animosity started. Hopefully someone will find a solution to this problem quickly and those ppl can go on with our lives in peace...... :P I hope that answers most of ur questions.

This is the biggest load of shit I’ve heard in a while.

First of all, the land of 'Israel' was always in the hands of the Jew's. Perhaps you meant to say the West Bank, and even that was in the hands of Jordan.

The PLO wasn't even created until '65 or '67(unsure which)!
Even before the State of Israel declared independence, there was over half a million Jews living there(British mandated Palestine[inhabited by both Jews and Arabs])!

Your facts are way off. They are straight out WRONG!
Don’t post your pathetic historical fallacies on the board kid.

The United Kingdom didn't "relocate" anyone!

Israel doesn't just "expand territory"; the West Bank, Gaza and Golan Heights were all taken when a handful of Arab nations declared war on the young State of Israel. Israel single-handedly overpowered destroyed the enemy armies and seized land captured in war.

No one "expelled" any Palestinians... there is no such people(they're called Arabs).
For arguments sake we can call those Arabs, Palestinians or whatever else you may want.

I smell some hardcore bias shit hitting the fan here.
The problem couldn't have started because of your above reason, no such things occurred!

Don’t know if your just plain ignorant or purposely spreading your propaganda and lies - either way, smarten up!

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Originally posted by melech_mike This is the biggest load of shit I’ve heard in a while. First of all, the land of 'Israel' was always in the hands of the Jew's. Perhaps you meant to say the West Bank, and even that was in the hands of Jordan. The PLO wasn't even created until '65 or '67(unsure which)! Even before the State of Israel declared independence, there was over half a million Jews living there(British mandated Palestine[inhabited by both Jews and Arabs])! Your facts are way off. They are straight out WRONG! Don’t post your pathetic historical fallacies on the board kid. The United Kingdom didn't "relocate" anyone! Israel doesn't just "expand territory"; the West Bank, Gaza and Golan Heights were all taken when a handful of Arab nations declared war on the young State of Israel. Israel single-handedly overpowered destroyed the enemy armies and seized land captured in war. No one "expelled" any Palestinians... there is no such people(they're called Arabs). For arguments sake we can call those Arabs, Palestinians or whatever else you may want. I smell some hardcore bias shit hitting the fan here. The problem couldn't have started because of your above reason, no such things occurred! Don’t know if your just plain ignorant or purposely spreading your propaganda and lies - either way, smarten up!

That's called Zionist brainwash interpretation

now go back to school

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Originally posted by ZinG That's called Zionist brainwash interpretation now go back to school

What?
How can you so easiely dismiss what i just stated.

It makes me wonder if you guys seriously think otherwise.
The mojority of the world knows it the way i've describes. It seems to me that the only ones that have a problem with these facts are from a Muslim world.

Zionist brainwashing... is that the best you can do?

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