Well, I was in this pool place back home last saturday and usually you can barely breathe because of al the smoke, but that day it was pretty clear and no one was smoking.

Does this law apply to all of NY or just NYC?

This law goes into effect for Boston starting May 1st, dunno about others

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Originally posted by Stories This law goes into effect for Boston starting May 1st, dunno about others

NYC went into effect April 1st

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well i have ben out in nassau county where the law has been in effect since march 1st...i go to this one bar simply b/c i know i can smoke there....the barkeepers just tell you to keep it low...

i imagine there must be a place, where one can find in NYC that is like this....

there is ways around this law...but when cops walk in and see someone smoking, i am sure a ticket will be issued, so when that happens then bars will get strict with this law...

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i find this topic rather interesting from a 'freedom' position. It is your personal freedom to smoke? I mean, nobody forces a person to go to a bar, where people can smoke, hence u can decide for yourself whether or not you want to go to such a bar. As a free-market advocat, one could argue that the market has decided that smoking at bars is fine, as non-smokers do go out.

I mean the bottom line question is:

which 'right' is bigger, the right to smoke, or the right to go out and not have to deal with smoke.

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Originally posted by drizzt81 i find this topic rather interesting from a 'freedom' position. It is your personal freedom to smoke? I mean, nobody forces a person to go to a bar, where people can smoke, hence u can decide for yourself whether or not you want to go to such a bar. As a free-market advocat, one could argue that the market has decided that smoking at bars is fine, as non-smokers do go out. I mean the bottom line question is: which 'right' is bigger, the right to smoke, or the right to go out and not have to deal with smoke.

very good point, but the counterargument would be, if you allowed ppl who smoke to be everywhere, that limits the areas where nonsmokers have a right to go. in other words, nonsmokers should have a right to a clean atmosphere (hence the smoking sections/nonsmoking sections in some restaurants).

not to say i'm for this ban, clubs and bars are the one place i light up the most. i'm not a chain smoker by far, but i do like smoking a cig while i take a break from dancing and stuff. personally, i wonder if i'll be able to last the whole 6 hrs of pvd on the 18th as i like taking smoke breaks to rest and stay awake. tobacco is pretty much the only "drug" i do.

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I personally hate this law. to me drinking and smoking go hand in hand and last night while I was drinking, it was hard to not be able to light up and smoke.

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Originally posted by b i n k u n very good point, but the counterargument would be, if you allowed ppl who smoke to be everywhere, that limits the areas where nonsmokers have a right to go. in other words, nonsmokers should have a right to a clean atmosphere (hence the smoking sections/nonsmoking sections in some restaurants). not to say i'm for this ban, clubs and bars are the one place i light up the most. i'm not a chain smoker by far, but i do like smoking a cig while i take a break from dancing and stuff. personally, i wonder if i'll be able to last the whole 6 hrs of pvd on the 18th as i like taking smoke breaks to rest and stay awake. tobacco is pretty much the only "drug" i do.

Having a smoking/non-smoking section in a restaurant is like having a "peeing" and "non-peeing" section in a swimming pool...

Here's something I read that's interesting....

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A New York restaurant has cooked up a way to beat the city's tough new
anti-tobacco ban.
The Italian restaurant Serafina Sandro unveiled a "Tobacco Special" menu on Wednesday, with
such delicacies as gnocchi made with tobacco and filet mignon in a tobacco-wine sauce, garnished
with dried tobacco.

Tobacco panna cotta -- an Italian cooked cream dish -- is available for dessert, followed by a
strong glass of tobacco-infused grappa.

"I never thought tobacco would taste so good," said the restaurant's co-owner Fabio Granato of
the rich tobacco flavor. "It tastes better than smoking."

His partner Vittorio Assaf said he tips his hat to Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who pushed through
the tough anti-smoking bill that took effect last Sunday, for his inspiration.

Under the new law, cigarettes and cigars are barred from almost every bar and restaurant in the
city. It aims to protect workers in the 13,000 bars and restaurants that have allowed smoking.

"Bravo Bloomberg," he said. "It took Mayor Bloomberg to make us finally cook with tobacco in the
kitchen. It's the invention of a new spice into the cuisine."

The tobacco recipes were the brainchild of chef Sandro Fioriti, a cigar smoker who mused "maybe
a little more tobacco" as he sampled the panna cotta.

He's been testing the recipes on friends and staff for two months, he said. A lobster and shrimp
salad with tobacco is in the works, while a salmon wrapped in tobacco leaves was rejected as too
strong, he said.

Serafina Sandro isn't the only place aiming to placate tobacco-starved customers. The World Bar
at Trump World Tower has introduced what it calls a smokeless Manhattan cocktail touted to
taste like a cigarette.

Some bar owners are resorting to handing out pieces of nicotine chewing gum, and the city's
Health Department announced it is offering free nicotine patches to the first 35,000 smokers who
call a telephone hotline designed to help smokers quit.

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