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JunKX
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Muziekindustrie klaagt studenten aan

Was een beetje aan het surfen totdat ik dit tegen kwam:

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Vier Amerikaanse studenten zullen door de muziekindustrie voor het gerecht worden gedaagd omdat ze op illegale manier miljoenen liedjes hebben verspreid vanop hun campus door gebruik te maken van het internet en de oude dowloadsite van Napster.

De RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) heeft in naam van de vijf grootste platenfirma's (BMG, Sony, EMI, Warner en Universal) een klacht ingediend tegen de vier. Ze eisen 150.000 dollar per titel die illegaal werd verspreid. Volgens Cary Sherman, president van de RIAA, wisten de studenten heel goed waar ze mee bezig waren.

Bron: Gazet van Antwerpen


Ik persoonlijk vind dit belachelijk. Hiermee schiet je toch niets op?
Laat ze lekker achter Kazaa aangaan ofzo, daar zit op dit moment het echte probleem.
Bovendien vind ik $150.000 per nummer wel HEEL erg veel geld, helemaal voor 4 studenten.

Jullie mening graag


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magrec
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Beetje sneu hoor 150.000 dollar....

ff kijken dan zou ik alleen al een paar miljoen moeten betalen. (hmm miljarden haha dat is toch niet te betalen... vind het een beetje erg overdreven)


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raoel
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150.000 per liedje?
Das nie niks nee, maar da gebeurt natuurlijk toch nie.

Echter is het opzich wel terrecht dat ze mensen daarvoor voor de rechter gaan slepen. Tegelijkertijd betekent dat, dat wij allemaal voor de rechter zouden moeten komen. Want ook wij doen er aan mee.

Nu zijn die gasten natuurlijk wel de verspreiders zelf.

Ik denk trouwens dat dit eerder een signaal is naar de MP3 verspreiders/downloaders toe.


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magrec
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recording industry against its core audience, and has experts worried that the next step will be suing the colleges themselves.

The Recording Industry Association of America filed the suits Thursday in three federal courts, naming one student each at Michigan Technological University and Princeton University and two others from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute who ran Napster-like file-sharing services on their campus computer networks.

The damages sought by the suits are astronomical: $150,000 per song, the maximum allowed by law. Multiply that by the 652,000 or so songs the RIAA alleges student Joseph Nievelt offered to other Michigan Tech students on his service, and the scope of the suit is clear.

That total? About $97.8 trillion -- yes, trillion with a T -- or enough money to buy every CD sold in America last year over again for the next 120,000 years, according to RIAA statistics. And that's just Nievelt's case.

RIAA senior vice president for business and legal affairs Matthew Oppenheim said the suits are intended to send a clear message to anyone running these types of services that punishment will be swift and severe.

Experts say they worry that the students, who are unlikely to actually have to pay those soaring sums, won't always be the sole targets of the RIAA's notoriously aggressive copyright defenses.

The RIAA has traditionally encouraged colleges to work with it and other industry groups, sending two letters in the past six months to university presidents urging them to take action against student violators.

But Oppenheim said he also expected Thursday's suits to be a notice to colleges officials who haven't kept track of what's happening on their networks. These weren't small violations, he stresses, and at this scale, the amount of Internet traffic generated by one account is huge.

His group didn't send its standard cease-and-desist letter to Michigan Tech before filing suit, something that Michigan Tech officials have publicly complained about. But this wasn't a typical situation, he said.

"Going forward, I wouldn't think there was a university in the country that wouldn't notice this kind of activity on their servers," he said. "My guess is universities are going to be much more concerned than they have in the past. I don't think any university wants to see their students sued."

It's not that easy, said Michigan Tech spokeswoman Marcia Goodrich, who said the school has gone the extra mile in cooperating with copyright groups.

"Now it's like, why did we go through all the trouble to work with you guys?" she said. Students operate more than 10,000 Web sites, she said. The university deals with 80,000 scans a day by potential hackers. And school officials have investigated nearly 80 complaints against students this year, putting nearly 60 on probation and taking other disciplinary measures.

And that's where things get legally sticky for universities, said Virginia Rezmierski, adjunct associate professor at the University of Michigan's School of Information and Gerald R. Ford School of Public Policy.

She said she thinks schools have made a mistake by cooperating with investigators and shutting down students who have been the subject of prior cease-and-desist letters from the RIAA and other organizations.

"If you agree that you're liable in any way, then you have no alternative to monitor the networks," she said. "You're putting yourself in a position that you can't possibly fulfill."

Even if that were technically possible with the staff the universities have, monitoring the flow of information on college networks is contrary to everything schools of higher education are about, she said. "We're providing this access as part of an environment for learning and teaching. It's used by a growing, learning community," she said.

And the RIAA's lawsuits against the students and others who operate file-sharing systems? "The purpose is intimidation," said Rezmierski, "and they're winning."

Published reports said the RIAA got the names of the four students from articles in college newspapers. Andrew Dobos, editor in chief of the Michigan Tech Lode, said that while he found an article decrying piracy in his archives, he found none that mention Nievelt specifically.

"The general consensus is that it's horse manure," he said, adding that the penalties were too high. "Even if he was doing that, I don't see that any member of the recording industry is hurting as a result of what these students have done. If he's like an average student, he maybe makes $4,000 a year -- and these rich people are suing him for all this money? How heartless do you have to be?"

"Stealing is stealing," Oppenheim said. "Those are major, significant networks. This was a student who created a piracy bazaar."


Het hoort 97.8 billion te zijn maar goed


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de riaa verliest toch, die studenten komen er heus wel onderuit


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wat een onzin! wie download er tegenwoordig geen muziek?


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MaGiK54
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quote:
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wat een onzin! wie download er tegenwoordig geen muziek?


Me moeder, want die snapt er niks van


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quote:
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Me moeder, want die snapt er niks van



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hier komen ze misschien wel onderuit, en ja die 150.000,- per titel is ook erg overdreven, doen ze om voorbeeld te stellen, maar vergis je niet, ik ken genoeg mensen, persoonlijk of via internet, die zich bezig hielden met het versprijden van warez cds/dvds (ook de mp3 collection dvds en andere muziek collecties) sommige hebben boetes gehad van 50.000,- euro, andere (die ken ik niet persoonlijk) hebben boetes gehad van 300.000,- of meer + gevanisstraf, over die boete van 50.000,- je denkt misschien das klote, nouja dan betaal je ieder jaar 1000,- en dan ben je dr over 50 jaar vanaf, als je nog leeft dan, maar nee, dat moet binnen 2 jaar zelfde geld voor die van 3 ton, 2 jaar nadit ie vrij komt moet t afbetaalt zijn, inderdaad, dat is zogoed als onmogelijk en die zitten dus de rest van hun leven in de schulden, hun hele leven is verpest door dat soort practijken,

en tja warez of mp3, t gaat allebij om de auteurs rechten.. die jongens zitten diep in de shit..

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Rinus
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Ik denk en hoop dat ze er wel onderuit komen. Immers van een kale boom kan je niet plukken. Ik vind het altijd een beetje overdreven die bedragen waarmee ze komen aanzetten. Van mij krijgen ze dat echt niet. Niet dat ik het heb ofzo

Internet is nu eenmaal een makelijk medium om dit soort praktijken te doen maar denk dat hoge boetes niet echt de oplossing is. Volgens mij is er ook niet echt een oplossing. En de komende jaren zullen we zekers meer van dit soort rechtzaken zien.

Mzl

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Het hoort 97.8 billion te zijn maar goed


een .us trillion is een .nl biljoen

million miljoen
billion miljard
trillion biljoen

(geloof ik)

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ik heb effe berekend wat dat voor mij zou betekenen

8698 mp3s x 150.000 = 1,30470 miljard dus

EEN MILJARD DRIE HONDERD EN VIER MILJOEN EN ZEVENHONDERD DUIZEND EURO

hmmm is nederland gelijk uit de schulden......

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