When is it going to end? :/



Here's some quotes from ppl protesting today:

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"I think the war is not ending -- it's only just started," said Sue Wyndham, a 54-year-old protester in London. "They're going to go into Syria or Korea next, anywhere they feel they can use their power."

Oh Really? Who told u that? Santaclaus?

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"This is the beginning of a whole new war by the United States, which is also trying to control Cuba, Syria, and other Latin American countries," said Marco Del Bufalo, 37, a high-school teacher.

Keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer.

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"Occupation is not liberation," said Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, a civil rights lawyer and an organizer of the Washington rally. "Whether they can conquer it militarily is one thing; whether they can turn it into an obedient client state is another."

I think they are doing what they can do to turn Iraq into a obedient client state!! (oh such fancy words)
And such a nice slogan, "Occupation is not liberation"
I'll be damned, it's not only catchy and misleading but it rhymes too!
I must have trained you well young apprentice!!

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"We must not forget that this war remains an illegitimate war without the authorization of the United Nations," said Mouloud Aounit, the head of anti-racism group MRAP.

Ok, I agree but it depends on how u look at it.
But maybe ur right, we should have waited until the U.N weapon expectors found Saddams WMDs so we could ask him to hand em over.

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"American and British soldiers may have occupied Iraq, but they have failed to win the hearts of the Iraqi people," Mohammad Selim, 10, said at the protest sponsored by Islamic and leftist parties and anti-war citizens' groups.

Hmm... I see that lil Mohammad here is only 10 years old.
I'm sure he hasn't been influensed by any relatives.
Again, they are doing the best they can.
Besides how would u know, ur not in Iraq now are you?

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"That Saddam Hussein was removed was good, but not the way it was done," said Kurt Junesjoe, a 63-year-old protester in Stockholm.

Erm...
Okey Kurt! (gotta lova that name)
How would u have liked to handle this?
Oh I know, lets wait til he dies and let his sons take over!! Yay!

Lemme tell ya abit about Kurt.
Kurt has been yelling about this war for months now, he just figured out that he was wrong about it but he hasn't got the guts to tell everyone that he was wrong. So that why he added "but not the way it was done" to his sentance.

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Supporters of the war also rallied in Washington Saturday. "I hope the troops can see us across the seas," said Bonnie Hayslip, 48, a housewife from Pennsylvania.

Supporter of the war?
Gotta be a type-o.

Nah! They can see all of you.
They are out risking their lives so I think they really appreciate your support.




Isn't it abit late for demonstrations?
The war has been going on fo 3 weeks now.
Anyways, I've just had it with all these anti-war rallys!! Needed to vent.

LateR!

Last edited by robstar on Apr-12-2003 at 22:59

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Originally posted by robstar Again, they are doing the best they can. Besides how would u know, ur not in Iraq now are you?

wells, i'm not trying to defend these protesters or anything since I agree that sometimes some of the stuff they do is crazy and convoluted. but ur not in Iraq either , so how would you know ?

Let's just let all the dustle settle and see what happens next..

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Originally posted by dEsidEL but ur not in Iraq either , so how would you know ?

Yeah I know, I can't tell if they are happy or unhappy.
But I doubt he knows much more about that then me.

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Let's just let all the dustle settle and see what happens next..

Agree!
We'll just have to cross our fingers and wish for the best.

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Originally posted by robstar We'll just have to cross our fingers and wish for the best.

I'm sorry to say this but crossing our fingers....I don't believe in that method....what I believe in?? CONCRETE!!!

lol no just kidding

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Originally posted by davedresden i suggest getting the gabriel & dresden prog-a-minute. in 3 easy steps you too could change the face of dance music. batteries not included. - dave

Freedom includes the right to hold contradictory beliefs, as the vast majority of these protesters do.

Group protesting is, IMO, the lowest form of argumentation. It upholds all the most fallacious instincts of reason: ad populum, glittering generality, argument by slogan, etc. It is a manifestation of mob mentality.

I don't have a problem with it, but I would not expect to find rational arguments being presented in such a format.

Excellent post Vesa. I actually read all of the links, and found them very interesting, especially this one.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/north7.html

as for this:

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The Anti-War demonstrations are necessary as long as PNAC is in power.

I agree. In fact, i think that protests are not enough. the US has proved it will not listen to the will of the people in the streets. we are going to have to grow in numbers, and in severity of direct action if we are to derail this war train.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Freedom includes the right to hold contradictory beliefs, as the vast majority of these protesters do. Group protesting is, IMO, the lowest form of argumentation. It upholds all the most fallacious instincts of reason: ad populum, glittering generality, argument by slogan, etc. It is a manifestation of mob mentality. I don't have a problem with it, but I would not expect to find rational arguments being presented in such a format.

Your absoloutley right! We should all just sit back and let the world go to shit!

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Originally posted by brainfried Your absoloutley right! We should all just sit back and let the world go to shit!

If reform can only be advocated by fallacy, then we ought to conclude that the reform ought not to happen. Is there something wrong with asking people to present their position intelligently?

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Originally posted by Arbiter If reform can only be advocated by fallacy, then we ought to conclude that the reform ought not to happen. Is there something wrong with asking people to present their position intelligently?

Nothing wrong with that but who shall we present them to? Got Dubya's phone number? think he gives a shit?

Robstar, with the US claiming now that many scientists fled to Siria as well Saddam as a presumption, I don't second guess that the US would dare to invade Siria as well.

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Originally posted by robstar Keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer.

Do you really want to be quoting the Art of War, when the US is supposedly playing peace maker? As an adamant protester, I disagree with how this war is being handled as well, but not its intentions. Saddam is a bad man, a very bad man. This is not being contested. He kills children, women, and just about everything else that can move. However, so does (in)Fidel Castro and Kim Jong II and why aren't we going after them? This war sends the message that the US is willing to go to war over revenge (the assasination attempt on Bush Sr.) and oil (to make the Republicans in office richer). Our regime's reasons for war is that Saddam kills people, but war kills people too. This logic means that we kill the Iraqi children, women, etc. before Saddam gets a chance to, but its in the name of peace. Do you see the contradictions? Why can't we diffuse this weapons situation like we did in North Korea a couple months ago?

Anyway, I can't wait till our puppet government is put in place in Iraq so my gas bill is a dollar less than before.

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Originally posted by D'Paul Do you really want to be quoting the Art of War, when the US is supposedly playing peace maker? As an adamant protester, I disagree with how this war is being handled as well, but not its intentions. Saddam is a bad man, a very bad man. This is not being contested. He kills children, women, and just about everything else that can move. However, so does (in)Fidel Castro and Kim Jong II and why aren't we going after them? This war sends the message that the US is willing to go to war over revenge (the assasination attempt on Bush Sr.) and oil (to make the Republicans in office richer). Our regime's reasons for war is that Saddam kills people, but war kills people too. This logic means that we kill the Iraqi children, women, etc. before Saddam gets a chance to, but its in the name of peace. Do you see the contradictions? Why can't we diffuse this weapons situation like we did in North Korea a couple months ago? Anyway, I can't wait till our puppet government is put in place in Iraq so my gas bill is a dollar less than before.

Amen to that!

[obvious sarcasm] What a great idea! For every American soldier that dies, gas prices go down 1/10th of a cent! Now gassing up my SUV will cost less!! Yay, let's bomb those terrorists back to the stone age!! And to hell with the Iraqi citizens, they're just stupid assholes who get in the way!![/obvious sarcasm]

Last edited by cougar23 on Apr-14-2003 at 03:04