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Originally posted by tennessee_raver Just do not become so blinded by this intermediate material that it takes you over and turns you into the village nincompoop who runs around town and sings the hallelujas and priases about PvD and epic trance.

DONT TALK ABOUT ARTURO LIKE THAT

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5. Armin Van Buuren - Shivers (Christian Webber Mix)

that is stupid, people will like what they like. bottom line, everyone has there own opinion about what is good music.

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Basic, elementary material, huh?

Try listening to:

PvD - Forbidden Fruit
PvD - Beautiful Place
PvD - Words

How about electronic music with jazzy overtones, reminiscent of Philip Glass?

Nincompoop singing hallelujah

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Last edited by armandzadza on Aug-06-2003 at 03:11

Uh-oh. This is just inviting a flame war.

Anyhow, the author is basing his argument off of two points:

a) All people who enjoy PvD do so because of blind worship for his productions, and

b) Productions all sit on some absolute scale of worth, the measure of which is "complexity."

Both points are wrong:

a) Many people who like Paul appreciate his DJing as much as, if not more than, his production ability. His skill at the turntables is complementary and different in nature to his composition. Also, simply because some people like his productions doesn't mean each and every one of them likes every single PvD production without reason.

b) This point is worse. Complexity does not mean better music. There's something to be said about innovation in music, but Paul has forged a completely unique sound of his own, regardless of how "lacking complexity" it is. If that's not innovation, I don't know what is. Furthermore, the worth we find in music isn't just in analyzing "how complex" it is, especially in the case of trance. There's a whole lot to be said about minimalism in the case of electronic dance music.

I think some people do get a bit too enraptured in Paul's work. But that certainly doesn't justify what this guy is trying to say.

i agree that many of PVDs songs are very simple. But what keeps me wanting more PVD is the EXECUTION of the song. That's why i LOVE autumn so much. It's a simple song, but the execution and structure of the song, omg, BEAUTIFUL

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I kinda see where he's coming from w/ the layers....

.....personally on some occasions i've been sooo wrecked that it wasnt that hard for me to distinguish each individual track in a song. That I do agree w/. But, at the same time i'm thinking that I actually enjoy the music and think of how hard something like that really is. It may sound simple but I'd say very difficult to reproduce. I mean, being a DJ/wannabe producer myself its very hard to get samples/synths together that really blend and sound "togther" like PvD.....

...all that writing and I'm not a PVD lover

why are people trying to analyze PVD fans? people really are bored.

that applies to pretty much any producer/dj/whatever. Just because someone loves to listen to PvD, doesn't mean they haven't listened to other styles, it's totally close-minded to think that certain artist is the devil just for playing/producing stuff that crowds like it. In the end, every single artist/producer/singer/composer/whatever is a form of music, and music is intended to give us this inner peace in one way or another, that hiponitzes us all and makes us have all sort of feelings; it can make us dance, it can help us meditate, it can cheer us up, it might put us down on tears, it can makes our lives a bit better, everything. It's a pretty broad critic that may apply to anyone, you may even say that of Beethoven if you dislike him quite enough. Anyway, people listen what they want to listen, you can't do anything about it, the complexity is not a factor ... it might be a simple synth poping all around your head all day, or a huge symphony concert with all sort of instruments and notes and phases and blah blah blah ... it's just a matter of tastes, you can't help it. Just enjoy the music ... and then it'll be ok.

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Originally posted by Sirocco DONT TALK ABOUT ARTURO LIKE THAT

hahaha...

I dont see why people have to justify why the like a certain dj/producer and style of music, especially when it comes to paul van dyk. People listen to what they want to listen and no one has the write to critise their choice!

i like paul van dyk's productions because its good music! nuff said