first of all i dont mean to offend anyone and i am not saying that vinyl is better than cds or vice versa so please dont start arguing or flaming or what not becuase i honestly have not tried spinning cds so i realize that i am in no place to make any judgements.

but anyway

i love watching djs spin and i have a collection of videos of djs spinning.

i was just watching the pvd at love parade video and he was spinning cds. it looks so...boring.

this got me thinking about why it looks that way to me.. and i think what is missing is all the touching and manipulating...the feel i guess

can anyone who is experienced comment on the different feel of cds and vinyl? maybe discuss pros and cons etc... i know people talk about cds and vinyl but im trying to start a different kind of discussion regarding the two.

Can't say im that experiences(3 yrs. spinning) but the main reason i prefer vinyl is that i actually get to do something with my hands instead of just pushing buttons on the cd player. It's hard to explain but i think vinyl is just cooler because it's more traditional. A turntable is like one of the essential icons of deejaying and with vinyl i feel like i can controll the track better than with cd. A TT is so much more simple. I don't know if this makes any sense but i actually combine that "undergorund feeling" with TTs and vinyl. Even though trance has become more commercial with the years, i feel that vinyl is the "real" format for electronic music.

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i've been spinning for about 3 weeks at our local club in my hometown and we have cdj and turntables and i first only used the tt but after a week everybody heard my collection twiece or more( of vinyl that is) so i had to come up with some knew songs quick i had some old cd at home and i use the cdj a lot know ...

the difference for me is that spinning with tt is having fun and doing "your thing"
with the cdj's it doesn't feel like a challenge to keep mixing and searching for those track's that evrybody wants to hear because they are just packed with 20 on one disc and you dont have to search songs any more.

conclusion: the difference between tt and cd'j ; the feeling; is that tt are much more fun then cdj because it is harder to do and it keeps you alive and kickin'

no offence to the cd -dj here , this is just my expirience.

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The thing about cds or final scratch is I would miss being able to see the song and all the breaks on the vinyl.

true, when i do spin cds, i do have to know the song a lot more than when i just spin vinyl

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Originally posted by Nou FS has waveform display, so you can see the breaks.

i understand that you can see the breaks on the screen but when you drop the needle is it still random? or can you just click on the place that you want the "needle" to be on the computer?

maybe im just used to vinyl but it seems so much more simple and efficient when dealing with one track.

its nice to have lots of tracks on one cd/hardrive but i donno... i just love vinyl so much. i love shopping for them and i love handling them and flipping through them in a crate

i think the feel is what i would miss if i were to use a cdj... i would miss the feel of the platter as i drag my finger to slow it down...and i would miss teh feedback of the motor when i touch the record or platter

as for fs... i guess its kind of like using a hand held device imo... personally i woudl rather use paper becuase i like flipping pages and...actually writing and feeling the pencil or a nice pen as i write...much better than a cheap plastic object and clikcing buttons i guess. owell.. im just rambling now

You do realise this will end in an argument right?


I find spinning cds a chore- i do some nights using purely cds (when i do a party nite for example) and i get bored with having to track scan , eject, cue and all the rest of it- if you spin purely cds in a nite- i promise you at least one over the course of the nite will fail to read, wont cue, will skip or stutter or pause. In a normal club nite i will use as few as 5 cds in a 5 hour nite- sometimes can be more- but not normally very many

For me there is something about having a record in your hands- it is a physical recreation of something- not just 0s and ones.
I have total control over it in the way that i can never have over cd.
i dont have to wait for a 12" to cue
I dont have to skip through it using a jog dial
I dont have to set a cue point to the nearerst 0.1second or whatever
I can see if therer is anything that will cause it to skip or be noisy
I know EXACTLY how much to physically manipulate it to get the desired effect
I can scratch with it (proper scratching- not a re-creation of)
Vinyl sounds better (continuous waveform rather than binary representation)
I have never had a 12" skip 30 seconds, or decide to stutter on one millisecond of sound then have a fit

Vinyl is by no means the perfect format- but il will be using it in preference to anything else for as long as its still made.

My arms and upper body get a work out every time i carry my boxes to work- added bonus

Im also a stubborn b*stard and love all things retro/old skool

but the most important reason- is that im happy using it- in fact no- i LOVE using it- so dont see any reason to change that

Just my 2 euros worth

for me the easiest part of cdj's is the cue function. i find it easier bcuz the track begins at the exact cue point and there isnt a delay, i never used vinyl that much but i think the hard part for me on vinyl is there is a delay when u release the record and its hard to make the adjustment after.

Freak -- however, there are times when cueing up the 12" and the needle jumps grooves right as you are about ready to let go (this usually only happens for me on that really light, flimsey vinyl). Not that I am advocating the use of cds, I prefer vinyl as well... just pointing out one of the few flaws of vinyl.

It's always been about 'Can I rock the house or not?'. Some of you guys knocking CDs have obviously not used quality CD decks. The issues you're citing are simply non-existent on quality CD decks.

Manipulating vinyl is is cool ... CDs have some awfully nice features as well: storing cue points & loops are two of my favorites, not to mention I have never had one skip when bumped.

Hell, it doesn't matter to me - cassette, cd, dvd, vinyl, or that new MIT audiopad gadget - it matters not. If I can rock the house, I can rock the house, no matter what format I spin.

Having said that - Technics are a beautiful industrial design - nice blend of form and function. Even Pioneer CDJ1000s will look dated in a few short years. CDJs just haven't reached the pinnacle of their design cycle yet, but someone will distill it to the necessary elements, and we'll have a watershed design - give em time.

Cheers...

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Originally posted by Dzokayi It's always been about 'Can I rock the house or not?'. Some of you guys knocking CDs have obviously not used quality CD decks. The issues you're citing are simply non-existent on quality CD decks. Manipulating vinyl is is cool ... CDs have some awfully nice features as well: storing cue points & loops are two of my favorites, not to mention I have never had one skip when bumped. Hell, it doesn't matter to me - cassette, cd, dvd, vinyl, or that new MIT audiopad gadget - it matters not. If I can rock the house, I can rock the house, no matter what format I spin. Having said that - Technics are a beautiful industrial design - nice blend of form and function. Even Pioneer CDJ1000s will look dated in a few short years. CDJs just haven't reached the pinnacle of their design cycle yet, but someone will distill it to the necessary elements, and we'll have a watershed design - give em time. Cheers...

well said

i spin both vinyl and cds
as long as i rock the house, i really don't care what anyone says or thinks

someone came up to the booth once and started knocking me about using the cdj. i just pointed to the rockin crowd and was like "they don't seem to mind"

he just shut up and walked away

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i learned how to mix on cd players and a couple months ago bought technics. spinning vinyl is alot more fun. it is def. more hands on, and generally just more fun. i still dont mind playind cds. when a song has a funky intro that doesnt start on a kick drum, i would rather have a cd so that i can set the cue point and flip back to it when ever i want.

i'm not the most talented mixer, so sometimes i have to bust back to the begining of the song once or twice to make sure that they are the same speed. i'm sure that the more i practice and play, the less this will matter.

i wouldnt totally write of cds just because they arent as cool as vinyl. its about the music, and making people dance and have fun. being able to play both is the way to go.