Guys,

With the lack of fresh sets going around the net on nu-horizions/dj mixes etc of late, and with AU getting some top class trance and progressive DJ's as well as AU's radio shows being worthy of being aired (Ala rush/FBi in Sydney), just wondering if anyone is interested in co-hosting a http site for sharing sets. It'd be great exposure for ALL the locals to have sets along side those across the rest of the world, and also promote AU as a world class act offering something at a time where sets are declining.

I'm not talking just Sydney here, I'm talking hosting elements presents/jen corp sets, 5am/viper room/mangled sets the lot along side the likes of AvB/Tiesto/etc, any international release sets.

The costs roughly will be $99USD for either 700 or 800gig of transfer. That's 7 people paying $20AUD a month (or more people paying less) to have the site up and running. If we can get banners/sponsership, it may become cheaper, but I don't know anyone who'd get anything from it, other then VinylWarning (Hi Guys ).

700 or 800 gig will allow 7000 or 8000 people a month to download a 1-1 hour 20min set.

There'd be no ruler of the server, all levels would be equal, it's not for profit, but to expose our scene to the world and show we can match the talent of the world.

Thoughts/Comments?

--djway

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I think thats a awesome idea!!

Definetly should get a lot of people to contribute to make it a cheaper at the end so we can get it up and running faster.

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The idea sounds fantastic. But like a lot of ideas its not feasible.

1. There are a lot more than 8000 people on the internet who would eventually be downloading sets. Im pretty sure TA has more users than that.

2. If you wanted people to keep returning to the site, im pretty sure you would need to offer a new set more than once a month.

3. The legalities of the sets are questionable at best. Even if you get the djs permission to put the sets up for download, the record labels wouldnt too happy that people are downloading "their" tracks for free.

Its a noble and good idea, and maybe with some more thought put into it, it could come to fruition. But there will be a lot of hardwork and $$ required.

1. Nu-horrisions transfers just over a terrabyte a month. So that could almost be matched from the get go, without taking sets down early or asking for funding. P2P programs should be albe to propgate the sets once 1000 people have each set

2. I'm sure we can get enough sets to update more then once a month. Elements presents is a weekly show, as is Nova and FBi. There's a possible 9 shows a month, without any locals sets or demos/studio mixes, without any international sets.

3. Sets on the radio can be put up, so no problems there. I'm aware DJ's have to OK their sets, and believe I can get this done for live sets, either by myself or someone in Sydney, and if a DJ's playing @ 5am etc, I'm sure one of the 5am crew can get a set approved. James Zabiela, Dave Seamen, Steve Gerrard, are all people who've released their AU sets Last year. I don't see that as an issue.

The $ is what this thread is about, it's not much or many people to get it started. The hard work; ie getting the sets, locally I record about a club set a week, so nothing new for me. In regards to maintaining a webpage, the likes of PHPNuke ala nu-horizions works fine, something like Moveable Types could also quite easily do the job with Webalizer checking for stats. I don't think it'd take too much to get this happening.

--djway

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sounds like a good idea, i'd be willing to pay the monthly fee (once i start working again)

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id b willin 2 pay 20bux a mnth or so.. for a lil ftp space aswell ofcourse <: lol i also know a bit php html etc n might b able to help etc? <:

yes from me... depending on how much it eventually ends up working out to a month!

great idea

if it is to be HTML based - you will also have to invest in anti-leech right?

otherwise hotlinking will defeat the purpose of the website.

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2. If you wanted people to keep returning to the site, im pretty sure you would need to offer a new set more than once a month.

What he means is the way you based your calculations on 8000 people grabbing one set a month. If you chuck up 2 sets a week, approx 8 sets a month, then only 1000 people can get all 8 of them, following your calculations. The more sets to download, the less people can get them.

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Originally posted by xarg What he means is the way you based your calculations on 8000 people grabbing one set a month. If you chuck up 2 sets a week, approx 8 sets a month, then only 1000 people can get all 8 of them, following your calculations. The more sets to download, the less people can get them.

Nu-horizions has 316 members downloading just over a terrabye with about 40 sets a month. If 1000 people get a file, and 100 of them sit in a P2P program the propagation rate will be pretty good.

If more people want in then a larger box can be purchased etc. Pretenting there was no reasons this wouldn't work, is anyone interested in putting aside, @ max $20 a month for this?

--djway

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Sounds like a top idea to start something like this...

I'd be interested in becoming involved... Both from a financial POV + also in terms of helping build/maintain the site...

I have been working in IT for the past 6 years and have been playing around with PCs for a lot longer - much of that time was spent playing round on the Web, with HTML etc too... So I can definitely help out in that department should I be needed...

Lately haven't been doing much HTML work at all tho, but I'm sure it'll only take me a little while to get back into the groove


The only problem for me is spare time really... Got a lot on my plate with a pretty hectic job + don't really have too much spare time...

Ironically enough I have been thinking of putting up a small site recently which was going to centre around getting together all the trance related info in terms of local events + radio shows and such...

I didn't want this to be anything too big, but just a simple listing of info for either people coming from overseas or just locals to check out + keep with the latest "trance only" info...


Maybe the two ideas can be merged in some way? Let me know what you think?


Also, with regards to the bandwidth needed... Would this site need to host all the files continually? Would it not be a better idea to create a BitTorrent setup + then bandwidth costs would be greatly reduced?

I know that BT has issues with the excessive uploading it causes + the "running a server" issue that some ISPs might bring up...

But in terms of ASOT - I get it through BT off "ets-global.org" every week + never have any trouble with speed or excessive upload... If it was something like that then it'd be the best option wouldn't it?

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Originally posted by mikey79 Sounds like a top idea to start something like this... I'd be interested in becoming involved... Both from a financial POV + also in terms of helping build/maintain the site... I have been working in IT for the past 6 years and have been playing around with PCs for a lot longer - much of that time was spent playing round on the Web, with HTML etc too... So I can definitely help out in that department should I be needed... Lately haven't been doing much HTML work at all tho, but I'm sure it'll only take me a little while to get back into the groove The only problem for me is spare time really... Got a lot on my plate with a pretty hectic job + don't really have too much spare time... Ironically enough I have been thinking of putting up a small site recently which was going to centre around getting together all the trance related info in terms of local events + radio shows and such... I didn't want this to be anything too big, but just a simple listing of info for either people coming from overseas or just locals to check out + keep with the latest "trance only" info... Maybe the two ideas can be merged in some way? Let me know what you think? Also, with regards to the bandwidth needed... Would this site need to host all the files continually? Would it not be a better idea to create a BitTorrent setup + then bandwidth costs would be greatly reduced? I know that BT has issues with the excessive uploading it causes + the "running a server" issue that some ISPs might bring up... But in terms of ASOT - I get it through BT off "ets-global.org" every week + never have any trouble with speed or excessive upload... If it was something like that then it'd be the best option wouldn't it?

Hosting the files, when they drop off the front page or what ever (IE 2 weeks after putting them up) we'd no longer need to host them, so bandwidth (or server space) wouldn't be too much of an issue.

My idea, which is flexiable, was to keep it HTTP based for people who can only download of the web(port 80 and or 8080) not via firewalls etc [people like me @ work ]. The + for BT is it's cheaper, the - is there's no solid back bone to begin with. HTTP 1000 people can click the link then go search in their fav P2P program and it should turn up anyhow.

In regards to content, you're not alone with wanting to have something more then just a leeching page, I've been PM'd by someone about that already.

I'll count you in, and if the numbers turn up we can start talking more about content and the ways of hosting the acutal files.

--djway

PS Had a feeling this would catch your eye

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