Good points. I have witnessed a relative waste huge amounts of money by donating it to his church. Its sad the kind of power religious guilt has on people.

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Originally posted by Derosas Good points. I have witnessed a relative waste huge amounts of money by donating it to his church. Its sad the kind of power religious guilt has on people.

Unfortunately many people are weak minded and do what they are told.

Peoples beliefs probably get 'programmed' into them by their parents at an early age .

Then after a while as the kid gets older those other factors might come into play.


meh I don't know. I think religion is a social cancer, no more than a successful cult imo.


Now let's pass the collection plate!!!!

Reasons for religion:

1. The realization that some things in life can never be explained.

2. The need to live life in reverence to something other than yourself.

Just off the top of my head. Also, to the guy who said religious people are only blindly following their parents....well that statement just shows how ignorant and inexperienced you are in life. It's a demonstratably false notion. Many people are far more religious than their parents.

I also am saddened by the ignorance of those who clearly have no concept that religion gives a culture its morality, its definition of what is good and bad, right and wrong. Just because you dont actively believe in God and attend church/synagogue/mosque doesn't mean that the teachings of religion hasn't profoundly affected your worldview.

religion is misunderstood, bloated and dogmatic. it's all about the mental exploration, not the rules and regulations. rules and regulations are not what are important; they are merely ways to reach the goal (enlightenment, union with God, understanding of the universe, or just an illusion of the mind).

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Originally posted by tupsox Reasons for religion: 1. The realization that some things in life can never be explained. 2. The need to live life in reverence to something other than yourself. Just off the top of my head. Also, to the guy who said religious people are only blindly following their parents....well that statement just shows how ignorant and inexperienced you are in life. It's a demonstratably false notion. Many people are far more religious than their parents. I also am saddened by the ignorance of those who clearly have no concept that religion gives a culture its morality, its definition of what is good and bad, right and wrong. Just because you dont actively believe in God and attend church/synagogue/mosque doesn't mean that the teachings of religion hasn't profoundly affected your worldview.

I'm glad you feel religion gives its culture morality and defines what's good and bad. The history of Christianity has done this rather well:

http://www.shc.edu/theolibrary/resources/timeline.htm


But admittedly, the Church has gained a lot of ground on its questionable actions since then. Must have been a different interpretation of the Bible or something - can't quite put a finger on it.....

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Originally posted by davinox religion is misunderstood, bloated and dogmatic. it's all about the mental exploration, not the rules and regulations. rules and regulations are not what are important; they are merely ways to reach the goal (enlightenment, union with God, understanding of the universe, or just an illusion of the mind).

People make religion bloated, dogmated and misunderstood. Take it for face value and for what it's worth.

Religion (at least Christianity) isn't about going to church, making your weekly tithe or following rules that the church has set forth. It's about a personal relationship with God, and striving to live your life better.

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But admittedly, the Church has gained a lot of ground on its questionable actions since then. Must have been a different interpretation of the Bible or something - can't quite put a finger on it.....

I'd like to point out I never said that the Bible is the word of God and the ultimate law of the land. I'm just voicing my annoyance at people who ignore the profound effects the Judeo-Christian way of thinking has had on our society.

An example might be thus:
Marxism is fundamentally atheist; Marxism is not a Christian ideology. However I think its safe to say that it came forth from Christendom, the Christian world: post-reformation Europe.

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Originally posted by tupsox I'd like to point out I never said that the Bible is the word of God and the ultimate law of the land. I'm just voicing my annoyance at people who ignore the profound effects the Judeo-Christian way of thinking has had on our society. An example might be thus: Marxism is fundamentally atheist; Marxism is not a Christian ideology. However I think its safe to say that it came forth from Christendom, the Christian world: post-reformation Europe.

Point taken, and I understand your annoyance. I'm just playin' a little Devil's advocate by pointing out a number of its detrimental historical effects.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 But admittedly, the Church has gained a lot of ground on its questionable actions since then. Must have been a different interpretation of the Bible or something - can't quite put a finger on it.....

Until recently, there was not the seperation between church and state that we find today. It is therefore very easy to lump religion and politics (wars and atrocities) of that time together. Now, at least for most religions, you have a clear seperation between the two where religion can now focus on the philosophies behind it, not the political actions around it.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Until recently, there was not the seperation between church and state that we find today. It is therefore very easy to lump religion and politics (wars and atrocities) of that time together. Now, at least for most religions, you have a clear seperation between the two where religion can now focus on the philosophies behind it, not the political actions around it.

Sorry, I was kinda bein' sarcastic. A well-stated answer, nevertheless.

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