hehehe....exactly.

Well, they are spewing lies, and nothing has been done about it. At least Michael Moore got a tough way tours the movie theaters because of the republicans on top of hollywood were crying all over.. some movie theaters have even banned it.. so whats the deal?!?!.. This swiftboat veterans are spewing fictituous stuff.. you don't expect Kerry to stay chill about it.. he's been Chill enough for weeks with the ads, just now he's shooting back.

And WTF, for you anything not Republcian is liberal.. what a piece of Caca man.

I guess many of you better go and take some government class and learn what liberal is.

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"Movie theatres have banned it?" I think you're a little bit confused. Theatre owners have the same constitutional right to show whatever movies they want as Michael Moore does to make whatever movies he wants. If the owners think it's a trashy piece of propaganda (which it is), they're well within their limits not to air it. Nobody can force them to. It has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with "crying Republicans."

Nobody's tried to make the claim that anything not Republican is Liberal (what the hell are you on, anyway? Republicans are a party, Liberal is a political orientation). Kerry, however, is a Liberal, and he is definitely a pussy. If he thinks he has a case for libel, he should take it to court like everybody else does when they feel they've been defamed. Regardless, he needs to stop complaining about people who are doing the same thing to him that his own cronies have been doing to Bush for the past years or so.

I do love how you recommend people take a "government class" though. I suppose you're talking about the anti-intellectual, left-wing, brainwashed-stupor-inducing political classes that teach people how Liberals are the only moderates and the only true intellectuals and everyone right of center is a rabid bible-thumping bigoted reactionary?

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Originally posted by DigiNut "Movie theatres have banned it?" I think you're a little bit confused. Theatre owners have the same constitutional right to show whatever movies they want as Michael Moore does to make whatever movies he wants. If the owners think it's a trashy piece of propaganda (which it is), they're well within their limits not to air it. Nobody can force them to. It has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with "crying Republicans." Nobody's tried to make the claim that anything not Republican is Liberal (what the hell are you on, anyway? Republicans are a party, Liberal is a political orientation). Kerry, however, is a Liberal, and he is definitely a pussy. If he thinks he has a case for libel, he should take it to court like everybody else does when they feel they've been defamed. Regardless, he needs to stop complaining about people who are doing the same thing to him that his own cronies have been doing to Bush for the past years or so. I do love how you recommend people take a "government class" though. I suppose you're talking about the anti-intellectual, left-wing, brainwashed-stupor-inducing political classes that teach people how Liberals are the only moderates and the only true intellectuals and everyone right of center is a rabid bible-thumping bigoted reactionary?

I commented about that "liberal" comment, because every individual that thinks one does not agree with Bush or some of the Republican Policies is a Liberal.. and it really gets tire-ing. I guess you havent read the other threads, on how, anyone that presents a case against Bush is quickly portrayed as LIBERAl.. so thats not for you to say "Im on Something".. just go to all the other threads and see for yourself. I really dont get though on your last comment.. Im religious myself, probably making me way more conservative then you or any Bush defender is, ofcourse, that's just an assumption. So on that Rabid Bible-thumping bigoted reactionary comment.. your way off buddy.

As for the government class.. yes, I mean. There's the Extreme Left, as well the Extreme Right.. there's also the Moderate ( Center ) which you can find both sides crossover. But to the Right Wing.. anything not Extreme Right is a liberal ( or is that how some individuals make it seem at least )..

As for Kerry, is pointless to discuss, as each one will just find a way to comment against any of his actions... I still say Clinton would make a better president still.. but hey, you republicans hate the Clintons and their success.. jijiji.. Just the name would make all of you sick right?

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All I am saying is you don't hear Bush condemning Moore for his movie, nor do you hear Bush urging movie theaters not to show Moore's book, or for TV stations not to run the Move On ads. Nor was there a public media outroar over those events.

I'm sure there are republicans that are, but it an't the party's policy.

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Perhaps you haven't noticed that the world of academia is very left-wing (not extreme left, but distinctly left), and so portrays many moderates as right-wing and almost every right-winger as extreme.

Anyway, forget about that for a second. On the Clinton subject:

Can you specify one good thing in particular that Clinton did for the USA?

How about five things?

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Welfare Reform Act?...uhhh....mmmmrrrmmm...uh, yeah i give up.
i used to know this question!

there is no comparison to Moore's satire, to what the Swift boat Veterans claim. only that of a individual or individual's interest in not seeing their opponent in office.

the Swiftboat vets aren't 10's of millions of dollars richer for their efforts though.

Kerry has sand in his vagina
Bush trudges along through the mud

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Originally posted by DigiNut Can you specify one good thing in particular that Clinton did for the USA? How about five things?

GOP seats gained in House since Clinton became president: 48
- GOP seats gained in Senate since Clinton became president: 8
- GOP governorships gained since Clinton became president: 11
- GOP state legislative seats gained since Clinton became president: 1,254
as of 1998
- State legislatures taken over by GOP since Clinton became president: 9
- Democrat officeholders who have become Republicans since Clinton became
president: 439 as of 1998
- Republican officeholders who have become Democrats since Clinton became president: 3

http://prorev.com/legacy.htm ^
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Originally posted by DigiNut I do love how you recommend people take a "government class" though. I suppose you're talking about the anti-intellectual, left-wing, brainwashed-stupor-inducing political classes that teach people how Liberals are the only moderates and the only true intellectuals and everyone right of center is a rabid bible-thumping bigoted reactionary?

Do you dispute that "liberal" in the American and Canadian sense is a moderate/centrist on the political spectrum? Usually it refers to someone who is center-right to dead center on the economic spectrum.

There are people to the left of "liberals" such as Mr. Nader, and people to the right such as Mr. BUsh.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Perhaps you haven't noticed that the world of academia is very left-wing (not extreme left, but distinctly left), and so portrays many moderates as right-wing and almost every right-winger as extreme. Anyway, forget about that for a second. On the Clinton subject: Can you specify one good thing in particular that Clinton did for the USA? How about five things?

Clinton wasn't really what I would call a "liberal," but he was not a conservative either.

He was decidedly neoliberal though in many of his economic policies and influenced by Reagan to some degree.

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Originally posted by DaveSZ Do you dispute that "liberal" in the American and Canadian sense is a moderate/centrist on the political spectrum? Usually it refers to someone who is center-right to dead center on the economic spectrum. There are people to the left of "liberals" such as Mr. Nader, and people to the right such as Mr. BUsh.

WHAT!!??

Yes, I most certainly DO dispute that. It's entirely the other way around! Affirmative action, welfare, gay marriages, 3rd-wave feminism and so on are somehow considered to be "moderate" instead of "left-wing" by a majority of people here. Liberal is not moderate on the political spectrum - moderate is liberal.

Now in the USA, the Democratic party is not very *far* to the left - both the Republicans and the Democrats are *very* close to center and only differ on a small number of issues. But that does not change the fact that the political scale in the view of academics and politicians and news media tilts *heavily* to the left. According to the Michael Moore following, "moderate" is halfway to communism!

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