Is it just me, or are the TTX1's BPM counters way off?

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cheesy
Supreme tranceaddict

Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Los Angeles, CA / Seattle, WA / S.F. Bay Area, CA

Is it just me, or are the TTX1's BPM counters way off?

I try not to use the BPM counters when I'm mixing (mostly because I don't want to rely on it, but also because I heard the TTX1's BPM counters suck), but when I'm ripping records I like to record the BPM. For awhile I relied on the BPM counters on the TTX1s, but then I noticed the BPM was pretty much always either 130, 133, or 136 for most of my music, but nowhere in between. I tried comparing it to BPMs found by a program I downloaded (for the Mac, called ltjBPM, seems to work well) and found that it's wayyy off, by about 3 BPM usually. Sometimes it gets confused and reads like 90 BPM, but that's expected, its just unacceptable that normally it's off by a few BPM.

Anyone else notice this?

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Dec-09-2004 21:38 United States

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Cheetah86
Senior tranceaddict

Registered: Jun 2004
Location: NJ / Troy, NY

Nope, but that's because I cover up my TTX-1's displays with index cards so I've never seen a bpm reading from it.

Dec-10-2004 01:44 United States

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Zild
Ten City

Registered: Jun 2004
Location: San Antonio, US : TXTA #156

Its a well known fact that the TTX1s BPM counter is shite.

Dec-10-2004 01:52 United States

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Mr.Mystery
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Vantaa

quote:
Originally posted by Cheetah86
Nope, but that's because I cover up my TTX-1's displays with index cards so I've never seen a bpm reading from it.

Couldn't you just push the little button so it'd show the pitch % instead of the bpm?

There is no such thing as a perfect BPM counter apart from the human ear. The BPM counter simply counts the peaks of the track and if there happens to be more peaks than just the beat then it's usually fucked.

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Ken_Allen
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Registered: Jul 2004
Location: Albany NY

same with the DJX700...one is always the correct BPM of one track, and the other is always at 160 even if you tap the beat

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sym
Time for Revolution

Registered: Apr 2002
Location: NYC

dont use bpm counters, youll never learn how to beatmatch

Dec-10-2004 03:46 United States

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cheesy
Supreme tranceaddict

Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Los Angeles, CA / Seattle, WA / S.F. Bay Area, CA

quote:
Originally posted by sym
dont use bpm counters, youll never learn how to beatmatch

Like I said, I only use them when ripping records. Thanks though.

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Dec-10-2004 03:54 United States

DannyO
The Vinyl Hunter

Registered: May 2003
Location: Calgary.

quote:
Originally posted by Ken_Allen
same with the DJX700...one is always the correct BPM of one track, and the other is always at 160 even if you tap the beat

I think it says in the manual that if it reads 160, it means it can't read the BPM, well what if the record is 160bpm, then your lost...ha ha ha.

We all have perfectly good BPM counters on each side of our head, just gotta learn how to use them.

Dec-10-2004 04:05 England

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Cosmic Realm
Supreme tranceaddict

Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Raleigh, NC

Just count the beat for 10 seconds and times the number you get by 6 works for me

Dec-10-2004 07:20 United States

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cheesy
Supreme tranceaddict

Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Los Angeles, CA / Seattle, WA / S.F. Bay Area, CA

Thats not very accurate though. You could easily be off by up to 10% (I think?)

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Dec-10-2004 07:48 United States

Cheetah86
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: NJ / Troy, NY

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Couldn't you just push the little button so it'd show the pitch % instead of the bpm?

I have it on that setting but I still cover it up so I don't start relying on it, in case I have to use TT's that don't have any display(IE Technics).

Dec-10-2004 09:55 United States

tu_face
No Known Cure...

Registered: Oct 2000
Location: Sheffield, UK

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery

There is no such thing as a perfect BPM counter apart from the human ear.

true, but numark have come close with the beat counters in the axis9 + cdx, they are as good as they get (which to be fair is fucking good). still no match for the human ear though!

but yeah the beat counters on ttx1's are reknowned for being shite.

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