Exactly why i say they should have 24 hour licencing here. Except that here most people drive home instead of transit which is even worse then people on the street causing trouble.

If England can do it surely we can!

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

this is a reality very soon, people here will go INSANE!

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I think at first people will abuse it a bit but once the novelty wears out it will be a good thing

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

Good merciful god, last call at 11pm ?!?!?! No wonder theres street violence.

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Originally posted by dj_bas wow awesome!! that's way bigger than mine

not much different from 2 am

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

When you have last call, you are going to have the spill out of drunkards on to the street at a certain time, but you can also predict that and the city can schedule resources accordingly.

With people spilling out of bars at all hours, it's much harder to control, as there is not a "peak time."

Personally speaking, I like last call at 2am. No one needs to be drinking past 2am - have any of you been to 99 sudbury? you'll understand why if you have.

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Originally posted by Skipper Personally speaking, I like last call at 2am. No one needs to be drinking past 2am - have any of you been to 99 sudbury? you'll understand why if you have.

What exactly makes 2 am the magic hour? And why is there no need to be drinking after 2? Says you?

99 Sudbury exists precisely because of stupid laws like last call

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

I don't necessarily agree with the article, I just thought it had an interesting perspective.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4236121.stm


Relaxing Reykjavik's drink laws

By Danny Shaw
BBC home affairs correspondent

Plans to allow pubs and bars in Britain to serve alcohol for longer hours has generated huge controversy about binge drinking and whether the police will be able to cope. BBC News went to Iceland to discover how they coped with relaxation of the drinking laws.

A recent survey found nearly 70% of rank and file officers in the UK are opposed to all hours licensing - they say it will create more alcohol-related disorder.

Six years ago in Iceland, similar changes were introduced in the capital Reykjavik.

I went to the city to investigate whether the changes to the licensing laws there have worked.

Sunday morning at 4 o'clock in downtown Reykjavik and the party is in full swing.

The clubs are still belting out music, the bars are full.

But everywhere you look there's someone lurching or someone staggering and beneath your feet there's the crunch of broken glass.

Late-night partying

The early hours of the weekend are the busiest time for Reykjavik's police force, as thousands of young people descend on a handful of streets containing most of the city's 140 bars, pubs and clubs.

It's been a tradition in Reykjavik that the partying doesn't start until midnight. That used to mean drinking time was squeezed into a three-hour period.

There were more admissions to the emergency ward and more of a task for the police - and drink driving rose remarkably - 80%
Asgagerdur Kjartansdottir

Bars were only allowed to serve customers until 2am; turfing everyone out an hour later.

The head of the office of the city council is Olafur Hjorleifsson.

"You had this situation where you had maybe tens of thousands, maybe almost 20,000 people in the streets at the same time and obviously that put a lot of pressure on the public transport system and that situation made it very difficult for all concerned" he said.

To ease overcrowding at taxi ranks and reduce the burden on police, in 1999 the licensing laws were relaxed and bars were able to open for as long as they wanted, with the council's permission.

The experiment was closely monitored by University of Iceland student Asgagerdur Kjartansdottir.

The results of her study, published three years later, indicated that the scheme had created more problems than it had solved.

"There were more people gathered downtown later in the night than before. So between around 6 o'clock there were more people and at that time the police were off-duty, so that caused problems," she said.

"And there were more admittances [admissions] to the emergency ward and more of a task for the police - and drink driving rose remarkably - 80%".

'More casualties'

In the emergency unit at Reykjavik's main hospital, Lanspitaliti, they are accustomed to dealing with the victims of drunken scuffles and accidents.

We do see people sometimes just totally exhausted and finished and it's much worse of course if they are on substances
Dr Kristin Sigurdardottir

But according to Dr Kristin Sigurdardottir there are more casualties now that the drinking hours stretch into the morning.

Humans, she says, are not designed to be up in the early hours when body temperature and hormone levels are low.

"We're not made to be able to stay awake - whether it's work or partying or whatever - endlessly and it kind of comes back at us, " she said.

"We do see people sometimes just totally exhausted and finished and it's much worse of course if they are on substances".

There is also evidence that since the drinking hours have lengthened more people are taking drugs, particularly stimulants like amphetamines, cocaine and ecstasy.

Between 2000 and 2003, the number of drug offences recorded by police went up by three-quarters. Could it be that drinkers are using so-called "uppers" to keep them awake through the night?

I think people need to take responsibility on themselves
Superintendent Karl Valsson

Helga Jonsdottir has two daughters of her own and two step-children. She wants to raise awareness of the social dangers associated with an all-night culture.

"It's not healthy for family life and I think that it affects [the] homework of the young people who should be learning and I also think that they should sleep during the night - that is normal for people".

Icelandic police say initially the new licensing scheme put them under strain because the rules were relaxed too far.

'Better' crowd control

The arrangements were then adjusted; selected bars can now serve alcohol until 5.30am and stay open for an hour after that.

Reykjavik Police's third in command, Superintendent Karl Valsson, says overall it has made it easier for them to control crowds because there are fewer people on the streets at one time.

It's also a matter of principle, he declares - allow people more freedom to drink when they want to.

He said: "I think people need to take responsibility on themselves - what they want to do and how they behave - and just need to answer to the justice system if they do something that is - some kind of breaking the law or interfering with the security of others".

The Icelandic police's positive response will be welcome news to officers in England and Wales.

But longer night-time drinking may have consequences for family life and society that few had foreseen.

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"It's not healthy for family life and I think that it affects [the] homework of the young people who should be learning and I also think that they should sleep during the night - that is normal for people".

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The Icelandic police's positive response will be welcome news to officers in England and Wales.

This is the real reason people dont want you to drink all night. Because "think of the children!!!"

If the police endorse it they are the ones who should know better. So bring it on!

Im sick of people who think that their linear family model of life should be applied to all of society.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

I don't think there's a "last call" in Amsterdam...at least there wasn't one when I was there last winter...I thought it was pretty neat during Innercity I could go get a nice drink if I felt like it no matter what time it was.

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Originally posted by starsearcher I don't think there's a "last call" in Amsterdam...at least there wasn't one when I was there last winter...I thought it was pretty neat during Innercity I could go get a nice drink if I felt like it no matter what time it was.

most of Europe doesn't have a 'last call' and it works just fine. infact when i was there i noticed myself pacing a lot more because of the fact that there wasn't a last call and everyone wasn't in such a rush to binge by a certain time of the night ..

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