yeah i heard, thats why we're having the first lord of the rings theatre show?? to try and get the tourism back into to canada/toronto.

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we need more than just theatre. We need to change the way this city thinks.

even some of my american friends dont come here as much anymore.

They site the lack of good parties and the high dollar as reasons.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Hey, you still have The Hockey Hall of Fame - which of course belongs in the Mecka of Hockey, Montreal...so while you're still at it, please close HHoF down as well. I'm sure the city and the people of Montreal will be more than happy to take it over

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Originally posted by Jayx1 we need more than just theatre. We need to change the way this city thinks. even some of my american friends dont come here as much anymore. They site the lack of good parties and the high dollar as reasons.

The strong dollar is exactly whats right with this country. You cannot lump that in with the town's mentality. Completely seperate issue.

I do wish there was more to do in this city as well. It seems like other than bars, clubs and places to eat, there really isn't much to do. Hence why I spend so much time chillin with friends. There are some festivals in the summer, but if you are not ethnically adventurous, you are stuck.

what im saying is that tourists would still come even with the high dollar if we had something to offer. But we dont anymore.

As for the ethnic festivals. The only reason politicians support those is because if they were against them people would accuse them of everything under the sun from racism to homophobia.

Imagine if straight white guys had parties where they exposed themselves on the street or shot each other at parades? It would be game over.

Im not against gay pride or caribana at all. Im just saying that because they are special interests they get left alone. Which is a sad commentary on the double standard that exists in 2006.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 what im saying is that tourists would still come even with the high dollar if we had something to offer. But we dont anymore. As for the ethnic festivals. The only reason politicians support those is because if they were against them people would accuse them of everything under the sun from racism to homophobia. Imagine if straight white guys had parties where they exposed themselves on the street or shot each other at parades? It would be game over. Im not against gay pride or caribana at all. Im just saying that because they are special interests they get left alone. Which is a sad commentary on the double standard that exists in 2006.

Yes but being a straight white guy, what exactly are you celebrating and making people aware of? These festivals have themes, and a reason for existing. I do agree that there are some gross double standards which take place, such as the nudity at gay pride, but the good of these events far outweighs the bad, and that is why the are kept around.

I do not go to Caribana, but I do see it as an important part of the Toronto/Canadian culture.

BTW - I never saw the appeal of Planet Hollywood. Cash grab in the first place if you ask me.

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Originally posted by Orko Yes but being a straight white guy, what exactly are you celebrating and making people aware of? These festivals have themes, and a reason for existing. I do agree that there are some gross double standards which take place, such as the nudity at gay pride, but the good of these events far outweighs the bad, and that is why the are kept around. I do not go to Caribana, but I do see it as an important part of the Toronto/Canadian culture. BTW - I never saw the appeal of Planet Hollywood. Cash grab in the first place if you ask me.

Does a celebration have to have a purpose? Whatever happened to just celebrating for the sake of celebrating?

The good outweighs the bad at most gatherings yet our city/province/country makes it very difficult for them to happen. Just look at how WEMF and Wakestock were treated last year. If WEMF had been a gay pride event the premier probably would have been there dancing his ass off with the media in tow.

And yes planet hollywood was a waste of money but americans loved to waste their money there. It's demise is a another sign that americans dont come here anymore.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

I think PLanet Hollywood died because the food sucked. I went there once and that was it for me.

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Originally posted by itikia I think PLanet Hollywood died because the food sucked. I went there once and that was it for me.

no doubt it sucked. As does hard rock. Yet every american tourist from the midwest that came to town could usually be spotted at either place.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Does a celebration have to have a purpose? Whatever happened to just celebrating for the sake of celebrating? The good outweighs the bad at most gatherings yet our city/province/country makes it very difficult for them to happen. Just look at how WEMF and Wakestock were treated last year. If WEMF had been a gay pride event the premier probably would have been there dancing his ass off with the media in tow. And yes planet hollywood was a waste of money but americans loved to waste their money there. It's demise is a another sign that americans dont come here anymore.

Yeah festivals usually do have a point! What celebrations do you know of, that are just done for the hell of it? People need a prupose to unite around, and celebrate together, so they feel like they are part of something. They want to feel like they belong, and can celebrate that togetherness.

And at least some festivals servive. It seems like you are asking for uniform rules and attitudes, which in a perfect world would be great. But to me, it seems as if that was applied, all celebrations would be shut down.

Honestly you cannot compare the scale of WEMF and Caribana. 5000 people over 3 days, vs 1million+ on one day!

we used to have raves at least once a month with 20,000 people or more similar to creamfields etc.... we used to have huge parties at the docks as well.

Wakestock was huge until politicians put the damper on it and turned it into the watered down joke that it was last summer.

There never used to be ethnic or political reasons. Just fun and music.

gay pride wasnt always so big. I suspect part of the reason it has caught on with mainstream is because most other outlets have been shut down so its the one venue a year where people can let loose since politicians wont dare touch it.

i honestly think our uptight laws are most of the reason why torontonians themselves are uptight.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill