The only understanding of conservatism I have is the traditional American one. I'm curious if the rest of the world models their conservatice philosophy around ours or not. Ofcourse every country may have its own flavor of it. That is not what I'm particularly interested in. Do they share the same basic principles? What are the differences? (I'm looking for some broad generalized desription here). Occrider, I'm guessing you're fairly familiar with this subject matter. Please enlightne me.

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There's a difference between "Neo Cons" (ie most Republicans in the house/senate), and actuall Conservatives.


See... real conservatives have tighter budgets than liberals. But currently all we have is corrupt jesus humping money flushers.


I would offer you more insight, but I need to sleep. Eventually.

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Originally posted by DJFreaq There's a difference between "Neo Cons" (ie most Republicans in the house/senate), and actuall Conservatives. See... real conservatives have tighter budgets than liberals. But currently all we have is corrupt jesus humping money flushers. I would offer you more insight, but I need to sleep. Eventually.

I'm well aware that neo-conservatism has nothing to do with true American conservatism. That also has nothing to do with my original question.

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I'm well aware that neo-conservatism has nothing to do with true American conservatism. That also has nothing to do with my original question.

k glad i could help

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Originally posted by DJFreaq k glad i could help

No need to get offended. I was just being direct . Read my original post again. I'm guessing you were tired and perhaps misunderstood it. I love your avatar btw. Office Space is awesome .

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z No need to get offended. I was just being direct . Read my original post again. I'm guessing you were tired and perhaps misunderstood it. I love your avatar btw. Office Space is awesome .

Yea, I am exteremly tired. Bah. I will re-read it later, but I really should be going to sleep. I have class at 12pm (PST) and I live an hour and a half away... BAH!

edit: read post now

I can not honestly say. Because I, like you, have a very one sided view of "conservatism." I'm pretty curious as well as what other countries consider their conservative philosophy.

And my earlier post was the most I could fathom. And now. Time for bed.

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Last edited by wrzonance on Jan-30-2006 at 14:02

yeh, its extremely bizarre to learn that other countries have more than two choice on political orientation. the traditional 'conservative' outlook actually chooses liberalism in its actual sense, for example, open markets, limited government influence.

yet in the US this has been quite perverted. liberals are socialist looking incompetents and neo-cons spend more money than liberals on nothing.


i wish there was a centrist party here|

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Originally posted by biznology yeh, its extremely bizarre to learn that other countries have more than two choice on political orientation. the traditional 'conservative' outlook actually chooses liberalism in its actual sense, for example, open markets, limited government influence. yet in the US this has been quite perverted. liberals are socialist looking incompetents and neo-cons spend more money than liberals on nothing. i wish there was a centrist party here|

Yea, look at me. Not asleep.

Do you think maybe we don't have more than one MAJOR political party here in the US is because the average American assclown doesn't care enough to do his/her research and allign himself with the party that would ACTUALLY suits his needs? Perhaps if there was more attention to our TWO major parties, then maybe people would realize "Hey wouldn't it be nice if there was a better alternative?"

I really find it ironic how the poor working class favor a "Conservative" candidate that will most likely hurt their social opportunities (ie grants, medical assistance, food stamps etc). When in actuallity a more liberal congress/government would provide more institutions that would be favorable to them (at least in theory, who knows though anymore).

Bah. I've been up too long. And I'm starting to ramble!

SLEEP I SWEAR THIS TIME!

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A lot of the stuff that you hear from American "liberals" would actually sound pretty tame and conservative by European standards. That should give you an idea.

yeh its pretty atrocious if you inspect a little closer.

im a fucking liberal hippie by more americans standards, but look at the tags on your clothes, what do you drive? japanese cars are more american than american cars these days, and toyota may help out detroit by creating factories.

I for one, have no qualms about this. avoiding innovation and making shit quality products is terrible. beyond that it doesnt help that we look like shit to the international community.

what we think we look like is not how it is. george bush is a talking head on tv and thats how the international community sees him. he acts and speaks as the ultimate power in this country, and as it was founded, he is but one piece of the leadership here.

i may be a liberal, but i am less worried about socialism as the lack of ability in the US. we have all the money but the least of the ambition|

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd A lot of the stuff that you hear from American "liberals" would actually sound pretty tame and conservative by European standards. That should give you an idea.

An incredibly vague idea.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

If conservatism means controlled spending, & small government; the Bush administration has certainly perverted those values.

The Bush administration continues to talk about tax cuts, but the greatest ways to avoid FUTURE TAX HIKES is DONT CREATE DEBT.

As for Christian values
- Cutting school lunches to poor inner city children
- Not doing anything about all the families that have no health care
- Abandoning all the families in Mississippi & Alabama ( Katrina )
- Corruption & getting bribe by wealthy corporations
- Cut taxes on the extremely wealthy, why not give bigger tax cuts to
the poor instead. Remember Jesus helped the poor.
- Lying to congress & the American people to get to have a war.
- Torture prisoners.
- Cut federal enforcement of child support payments.

ARE NOT CHRISTIAN VALUES. I am a Christian and I am voting democrat in November. The Republicans talk about family values alot but they have sure shown that they DONT CARE ABOUT FAMILIES THAT EXIST NOW. Sometimes Satan dresses in Gods clothes, and that would describe the Bush administration. They talk the language of Christians but they have only conned Christians. Anyway any governments that have mixed religion & state in the past have usually failed and twist that faith and pervert its values into a form that they can use it to control everyone else into submission This is what has occured in most Middle East societies in modern times.