Is anyone here familiar with Objector? They're a group of Conscientious Objectors that want to get America out of the war business, and keep as many kids from high school out of the military as possible. Their sole mission since 1968 has been to protest killing and war by our sadistic American war mongers (aka "The Military"). The majority of people who are part of Objector are either former military vets or people who wish to bring an end to war (some call them pacifists, others call them heroes). They are a broad group of different races/ages/nationalities that BELIEVE in peace through dialogue. Strong in their convictions, they understand that the more War that America unleashes, the greater risk to our national security. Every dead Iraqi leads to another two Iraqis wanting to kill our troops over there.

I'm mentioning this group because the U.S. military is gearing up for a war in Iran. It's coming! There is no doubt that the U.S. will next make a move for war with Tehran (Iran's capital) and specifically piss off Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to say/do something stupid & give the U.S. a pathetic reason to attack.

But There IS still hope.

People who believe in stopping this Oil War, and the bullsh*t that passes for proof of WMDs, understand that you can't make war without two things:

1) Money
2) Troops

Luckily, a peon like myself can bring this war to an end. What is needed are dedicated people who have the same SPIRIT and COURAGE as our parents who fought against the Vietnam War. It was anti-war protestors that finally broke the back of the U.S. military and forced Nixon to call an end. Had they not STOOD UP for their beliefs, the war would have lasted for years and maybe even decades.

The same spirit is alive...but help is needed. YOUR help. Not someone else, but _YOU_.

Do YOU have the COURAGE of your parents and their generation to stand AGAINST WAR? To stand AGAINST corporate America supremacy? To stand AGAINST THE PIDDLY ASSWIPE who calls himself Prezident of the United States?

If you DO, then by all means please drop a line to this email address, send a donation or volunteer your time to the Iran Antiwar effort.

There is hope. There is strength. There is reason. When they come together, there is no defeat. That is the battle cry to bring an end to this insane Oil War. Do you want to help???

How much is Iran paying you or your cronies? Make no mistake about it - sitting around, waiting for Iran to make weapons, while dialoguing, will not bring peace. It will bring temporary calm, until they ramp up production of warheads. Unchecked, US will be in sights within months. And unlike your hippie friends, nukes don't make distinctions between peaceful americans or warmongering counterparts.

Get real, if you're on the same continent as EU or US - you are a target.

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Originally posted by emc^2 And unlike your hippie friends, nukes don't make distinctions between peaceful americans or warmongering counterparts.

couldn't have said it better myself.

of course he's entitled to his opinion, the EU doesn't share it.

So what if the war is about oil? Whom would you rather have controlling a key part of the world's oil supply? Saddam or a western-friendly government? I can tell you hands down; NO ONE in the world wanted Saddam controlling it.

Oil is so critical to world stability that you can't just ignore it or try to act like we're fighting over an inanimate object.

"No war for oil" is like saying "We're for going back to the stone age"...well, I can't back that cause brutha.

oil war, why? Because there is oil?

I guess we are going there for sand as well. We can fill our children's sandboxes cheaper if we can take it from the middle east!

What gets my goat is these friggin tree huggers drive gas-consuming cars, shop in stores that probably have deliveries made not on some horse and buggy but on a gas-guzzling 18-wheeler, they buy clothes not made by hand but built at factories that suck gas like Monica, they have plastic (that is made from oil) recycle bins for their plastic bottles and don't realize that a big part of the reason why they have some kind of a job or financial sustinance is because the oil industry in some part is feeding them, their families, and even the things that they come in contact with. Everything down to the plastic keyboard that they use to type this garbage and wire insulation for network cables to carry this rubbish out in the open.

... yet they are still against big oil and big corporations controlling it. Guess what - little mom and pop shops couldn't hack it - that's why they are not in business. Furthermore, like it or not, the only reasons why these sand zombies are still contained over there and not out here is because they have some kind of job that keeps them there. Like it or not oil is the lifeblood of this planet. when it runs out the word armageddon will finally have some substance and meaning (if not sooner).

That's what I hate about these friggin tree huggers... I don't support war but I don't support "all you need is love" mentality either. My philosophy runs along Al Capone's lines: "You can go a lot further with gun and smile than with smile alone".

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No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don’t want to die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one has ever escaped it. And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single best invention of Life. It is Life’s change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away. Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true.

--Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)

I'm with EMC2, and Cartman.

Hippies suck

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Originally posted by emc^2 Everything down to the plastic keyboard that they use to type this garbage and wire insulation for network cables to carry this rubbish out in the open.

They should protest their hypocrisy, imho. ...in fact, "Hippie" may be short for "Hypocrisy".

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Originally posted by donnybrasco So what if the war is about oil? Whom would you rather have controlling a key part of the world's oil supply? Saddam or a western-friendly government? I can tell you hands down; NO ONE in the world wanted Saddam controlling it. Oil is so critical to world stability that you can't just ignore it or try to act like we're fighting over an inanimate object. "No war for oil" is like saying "We're for going back to the stone age"...well, I can't back that cause brutha.

God your a idiot, so your saying it's fine for a western friendly (sorry i laughed when i typed this) to invade a country, kill over 20000 innocent civillians for their own benefit, and thats a friendly government? Sheez, take your head out of your ass you ignoramus.

Your basically a fool who gets pulled in with this propaganda about US is trying to help the others, but hey, your too stupid to be taught the right beliefs so why bother, huh?

Come on, try to say something stupid again.

Heres a hint, when you throw together your hatrick of one way comments, keep them to yourself, your just making Americans look bad.

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Last edited by Psygnosis on Feb-06-2006 at 23:45

^^^WTF do you think most wars are fought over? Ideas? No, they are fought over commerce and the right to control the best commodities.

I never said I bought the argument that the war was about bringing Democracy to Iraq (although I think it has to be better than what they had before), in fact, I've said quite plainly that I believe it IS about oil.

You live in a fairy land. You should wake up and get a clue as to what the world is really all about, because oil affects your life too, not just mine. If Saddam had left the country, maybe so many innocent people wouldn't have died...ever think about that? But of course he wasn't going to, and of course he was going to let innocent people die.

What is your point? Don't fight any wars, no matter how justifiable, because innocent people may die? It happens...sad, but it's a fact of life. Should we stop fighting Terroists as well for this reason?

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Originally posted by donnybrasco ^^^WTF do you think most wars are fought over? Ideas? No, they are fought over commerce and the right to control the best commodities. I never said I bought the argument that the war was about bringing Democracy to Iraq (although I think it has to be better than what they had before), in fact, I've said quite plainly that I believe it IS about oil. You live in a fairy land. You should wake up and get a clue as to what the world is really all about, because oil affects your life too, not just mine. If Saddam had left the country, maybe so many innocent people wouldn't have died...ever think about that? But of course he wasn't going to, and of course he was going to let innocent people die. What is your point? Don't fight any wars, no matter how justifiable, because innocent people may die? It happens...sad, but it's a fact of life. Should we stop fighting Terroists as well for this reason?

Ok look fair enough, i understand what you mean to a degree but that still doesn't give the right to any country to invade another to take their oil or whatever else stuff they may require.

What i get confused most is how u call America the western friendly country when you know they are doing this. How can you possibly call this as a friendly act. Whats the difference between scumbag thiefs who rob your everday convenience to US stealing something from one other.

No middle eastern country is denying America or any other country to buy oil but what America wants is to have it for free for the their own benefit. Friendly? I think not.

And don't bring up this whole terrorist crap. I agree with Saddam with thrown out of power, but what does that have to do with taking over the oil. It's all an American conspiracy dude, believe it or don't believe it. Saddam, Osama and many other so called terrorist all trained under CIA and now if you want to believe that they were told by the CIA to do these things or maybe just they wanted to gain power for themselves, then thats something for you to understand what is right.

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i think engaging in pedantic arguments re iraq derails the much more important argument re iran. yes, america is a big bad nasty country sometimes. show me a country that isnt. to focus on america\'s mistakes in iraq instead of the growing threat of iran is really quite silly imo.

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