http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12990567/

Ongoing investigation.

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WASHINGTON - Investigators believe that their criminal investigation into the deaths of about two dozen Iraqi civilians points toward a conclusion that Marines committed unprovoked murders, a senior defense official said Friday. The Marine Corps initially reported 15 deaths and said they were caused by a roadside bomb and an ensuing firefight with insurgents. A separate investigation is seeking to determine if Marines lied to cover up the killings.

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This is an article from two months ago:

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On the morning of Nov. 19, 2005, a roadside bomb struck a humvee carrying Marines from Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines, on a road near Haditha, a restive town in western Iraq. The bomb killed Lance Corporal Miguel (T.J.) Terrazas, 20, from El Paso, Texas. The next day a Marine communiqué from Camp Blue Diamond in Ramadi reported that Terrazas and 15 Iraqi civilians were killed by the blast and that "gunmen attacked the convoy with small-arms fire," prompting the Marines to return fire, killing eight insurgents and wounding one other. [...] According to eyewitnesses and local officials interviewed over the past 10 weeks, the civilians who died in Haditha on Nov. 19 were killed not by a roadside bomb but by the Marines themselves, who went on a rampage in the village after the attack, killing 15 unarmed Iraqis in their homes, including seven women and three children. Human-rights activists say that if the accusations are true, the incident ranks as the worst case of deliberate killing of Iraqi civilians by U.S. service members since the war began. In January, after TIME presented military officials in Baghdad with the Iraqis' accounts of the Marines' actions, the U.S. opened its own investigation, interviewing 28 people, including the Marines, the families of the victims and local doctors. According to military officials, the inquiry acknowledged that, contrary to the military's initial report, the 15 civilians killed on Nov. 19 died at the hands of the Marines, not the insurgents.

http://www.time.com/time/archive/pr...1174682,00.html

The sad fact is that this investigation wouldn't have even been opened had it not been for the persistence of the journalists at Time. The question therefore has to be raised: what else is happening over there that isn't being properly investigated?

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Originally posted by Renegade The sad fact is that this investigation wouldn't have even been opened had it not been for the persistence of the journalists at Time. The question therefore has to be raised: what else is happening over there that isn't being properly investigated?

This is what we get for allowing idiots in the military. If they were all 4.0 GPA students we wouldn't have a problem. But instead we entice the poor and uneducated.

welcome to march 2006

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers This is what we get for allowing idiots in the military. If they were all 4.0 GPA students we wouldn't have a problem. But instead we entice the poor and uneducated.

Yeah, lets see what is wrong with what you just said. 4.0 GPA in the military or in fact 4.0 GPA in the average college or university? Yeah, not too many people have a 4.0 GPA and neither did you so quit fucking around. And just how is 4.0 GPA a measure of intelligence? Its like saying you get a perfect score in the ACT or SAT and that makes you the smartest person in the world. Its not true grades in high school have no meaning to a person's intelligence and you also fail to realise that their is different types on intelligence.

You have it wrong, as well as the article, soldiers don't do this unless they are ORDERED too.

It's a shame because Americans will always believe that the Soldiers acted out on their own when they didn't.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid You have it wrong, as well as the article, soldiers don't do this unless they are ORDERED too.

If that were true there wouldn't be anything called, "attrition".

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r If that were true there wouldn't be anything called, "attrition".

this is actualy a really interesting situation because so many different things may have happened. attrition on who's part? the CO's? or did a specific group of soldiers start spraying bullets into women and children cuz their close friend died? was the CO trying to stop them? could he have stopped them? did he want to/? i'm sure it isnt all black and white. i am positive after reading up on this incident that at least one or two of the men who did this weren't acting out because of stress. did the rest follow? who the fuck knows and u can bet they will all be honourobly discharged and given 6 months in lock up or some shit.

bottom line, if there were more troops there like the commanders asked for, there would have been less of a chance of these kids snapping and ending lives blame the bush

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Originally posted by Cyrus King i listen to trance becuase it is beautifully composed like a classical piece of music.... but with beats in it...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

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Originally posted by Renegade This is an article from two months ago: http://www.time.com/time/archive/pr...1174682,00.html The sad fact is that this investigation wouldn't have even been opened had it not been for the persistence of the journalists at Time. The question therefore has to be raised: what else is happening over there that isn't being properly investigated?

Exactly. It is a "war" time scenario so a media black out over it's proper coverage shouldn't be surprising.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Yeah, lets see what is wrong with what you just said. 4.0 GPA in the military or in fact 4.0 GPA in the average college or university? Yeah, not too many people have a 4.0 GPA and neither did you so quit fucking around. And just how is 4.0 GPA a measure of intelligence? Its like saying you get a perfect score in the ACT or SAT and that makes you the smartest person in the world. Its not true grades in high school have no meaning to a person's intelligence and you also fail to realise that their is different types on intelligence. You have it wrong, as well as the article, soldiers don't do this unless they are ORDERED too. It's a shame because Americans will always believe that the Soldiers acted out on their own when they didn't.

+1 You actually said something that makes a whole lot of sense.

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Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Yeah, lets see what is wrong with what you just said. 4.0 GPA in the military or in fact 4.0 GPA in the average college or university? Yeah, not too many people have a 4.0 GPA and neither did you so quit fucking around. And just how is 4.0 GPA a measure of intelligence? Its like saying you get a perfect score in the ACT or SAT and that makes you the smartest person in the world. Its not true grades in high school have no meaning to a person's intelligence and you also fail to realise that their is different types on intelligence.

Well, first off, a GPA in high school can give you an idea about how smart a person is. And seeing how most people in the marines don't go to college (Which is why they chose to join the marines in the first place), we can safely say that a "College GPA" is out of the question, here. So, if someone gets a 4.0 GPA in high school, it's obvious that this person was serious about his/her grades, and did very well. We can be sure this person got 100's in math, in science/chem/bio/physics, history, english, etc. An all around good student, who probably studied hard, or in rare cases, breezed through H.S. without studying at all. Then, of course, you get the cases where a student slacks in high school and gets a 1.67 GPA, and yet is very intelligent (Me being one). And if someone gets a perfect score on the SAT's, they are either A) Very smart B) Autistic C) Cheaters.

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You have it wrong, as well as the article, soldiers don't do this unless they are ORDERED too. It's a shame because Americans will always believe that the Soldiers acted out on their own when they didn't.

These people aren't drones. The nazi soldiers "Were just following orders". Yeah, right.

Wow. What a surprise. I didnt know Americans didnt do any atrocities in Iraq whatsoever. Their soldiers are just plain innocent. Those stupid insurgents and media are lying, the prison torture is faked, the illegal use of banned chemical weapons is abosolute nonsense, and all the other crap is a simple way for insurgence to create instability in Iraq. 'Cause Americans are bringing an incredible stability to Iraq, which hasnt seen such great strides to democracy, with lower crime, less corruption and murders, and less of anything ... thats bad! Schools are hospitals are getting rebuilt, people of different religions are closer than they were ever before.

Man, I wish I just move to Iraq as soon as possible. Evil Saddam Hussein is now gone, and everything in Iraq right now IS BETTER than it was during the horrible horrible years of oppression of Saddamism. Oh boy, there goes another page in history.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers This is what we get for allowing idiots in the military. If they were all 4.0 GPA students we wouldn't have a problem. But instead we entice the poor and uneducated.

exactly,... so you joining the military after your GED ?

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