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| quote: | Originally posted by Icone
I don't care at allabout the marketing, as long as the stuff works good it works good. The sound coming from my Behringer Truths is wonderful. It's not a bad card at all; with the right ASIO drivers I can get as much as I'd like 
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Behringer Thruths...  That really says something. With those monitors, no wonder you don't worry about using the X-FI as your sound card  I am really not trying to be judgmental, but are you seriously claiming that the sound coming from those monitors is wonderful? Don't wanna critize them too much. They might work for you, but I have auditioned them a couple of times, and they certainly don't do it for me.
| quote: | 'Creative is not for pros' - I've got vinyl releases for a couple of years now with the bloody card; does that make me a pro? 
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Well, I guess so...my definition of "pro" in this perspective is someone who earns money on their work - and I guess you do. That makes my statement false. Sorry - I take it back. But I maintain that I do not consider this a sound card for people serious about the quality of their sound - pro or not. And I still would say that it's not for pro studios at least.
Unless you really produce - and mix - everything itb and even do bouncing itb - in that case you could use pretty much any sound card. And try going to a serious studio (rather than just a home project studio) and see if you can find anything with the name "Behringer" or "Creative" on it. I dare you...
| quote: | | RivalMan: please post us your MUSIC created with that setup and show us you're a 'pro'. |
I have never claimed to be a pro. Years ago I had a release and since then a couple of co-releases. But I wouldn't consider myself a pro in any way. Whatsmore, MY music certainly wouldn't by definition always sound better than something produced by another engineer with a sound card from Creative. A great producer can make music so much better using standard gear than a standard producer with great gear. And I wouldn't consider myself "great" - not yet at least It's much more about the producer than about the gear.
However, I regularily do work at a highly pro studio and work with engineers and producers who certainly can be considered pros. I guess they share my view on the Creative stuff, but I don't mind asking them just to be sure... if it's really all that important. (In my opinion: it isn't). But to the point: A great producer will do better with great gear, than the same great producer will do with standard gear. And a "pro producer" (pro in the sense that he produces music as his main way of making a living) would likely not use stuff from Creative. At least, I've never met anyone who does. (Doesn't mean that they don't exist, though).
Don't get me wrong: Creative produces great "toys" - in the sense that you can use the card for allround use (as you stated yourself); gaming, surfing, playing mp3s as well... If you can't afford a better sound card, or for some reason don't want to spend the money on it: fine! It's a great thing that cheaper alternatives exist on the market. And a great producer could certainly make great music even with cards from creative.
But I actually care about the "sound" of the music I listen to and produce. And due to this I would for instance never consider listening to mp3-compressed files (unless it's the only possible source of the music and I really want to listen to that specific song) - and I would never listen to - or produce - anything using a low budget sound card with less than great converters. And I would certainly never - EVER - use Behringer monitors!
But my original comment wasn't so much about the actual card (which might in fact have decent converters), but more about the way the market it. Come on.... Even though everyone's free to ignore what the marketing department says, it DOES say something about who this card is targeted at (not pro producers) and how "serious" the company is. That's really my point here.
And yes, I am generalizing here. I'm aware of that. I do know of No 1 hit albums recorded and mixed on Behringer monitors and mixers - but I also know that in these cases the producer didn't really have a choice.
Now - Flame me, hate me, burn me!
Regards
EDIT: I just re-read my post and realized that I might come off as patronizing or arrogant. English is not my mother tonuge and any "provocation" is completely unintented. I do appreciate that everyone has their own favourite gear - and that it's not the same. I'm just stating that I don't like Behringer and Creative.
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Last edited by RivalMan on Oct-13-2006 at 22:16
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I especially love the bar graph clearly showing how it turns even your shitty MP3's into supreme quality. And the demo's where you can hear the amazing results of their specralizers and other alien technologies for yourself. No need for expensive Apogee converters anymore. 
